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From: Indy Jess John on 23 Jun 2010 15:33 Jerry wrote: > "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message > news:512b948a13dave(a)davenoise.co.uk... > : In article <en0226lj6k2keh536g0qeau9qube16hmt4(a)4ax.com>, > : Peter Hill <peter.usenet1(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > <snip> > : > : > The gap between taxed and registered is even greater and > treasury are > : > sure it equals number of tax evaders. > : > : Perhaps older cars ain't on the database. > : > > Why would any "Historic" Taxation class of vehicle be on a > government 'tax evaders' database, how does one 'evade' paying > nothing?!... Even Historic vehicles have to display a tax disc if they are used on the road, and there is still the obligation annually to apply for that tax disc (which is only issued if a valid MOT and insurance is in force) or declare a SORN. Anyone doing neither is a tax evader according to the DVLA rules. Anything garaged and off road before the SORN came in doesn't have to apply for tax or declare a SORN, but I believe anything in that category is no longer on the database, and you have to have a VOSA inspection to put it back on the database. VOSA expect any vehicle taken to them for inspection to have insurance and a valid MOT. Jim
From: Adrian on 23 Jun 2010 15:45 Indy Jess John <jimwarren(a)OMITblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Anything garaged and off road before the SORN came in doesn't have to > apply for tax or declare a SORN Correct... > but I believe anything in that category is no longer on the database, > and you have to have a VOSA inspection to put it back on the database. Nope. I've got a couple which haven't been MOTd, taxed or insured since before SORN, and for which I have V5Cs. I've bought them since the introduction of SORN.
From: Indy Jess John on 24 Jun 2010 05:39 Adrian wrote: > Indy Jess John <jimwarren(a)OMITblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > >> but I believe anything in that category is no longer on the database, >> and you have to have a VOSA inspection to put it back on the database. > > Nope. I've got a couple which haven't been MOTd, taxed or insured since > before SORN, and for which I have V5Cs. I've bought them since the > introduction of SORN. That's interesting. I have a non-SORNed car that has been in my garage for 20 years, and I still have the old registration document rather than a V5c. Something I read when SORN came in led me to believe that I needed a VOSA inspection to put it back on the road - but perhaps that is not the case if your examples are anything to go by. Jim
From: Adrian on 24 Jun 2010 05:43 Indy Jess John <jimwarren(a)OMITblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> but I believe anything in that category is no longer on the database, >>> and you have to have a VOSA inspection to put it back on the database. >> Nope. I've got a couple which haven't been MOTd, taxed or insured since >> before SORN, and for which I have V5Cs. I've bought them since the >> introduction of SORN. > That's interesting. I have a non-SORNed car that has been in my garage > for 20 years, and I still have the old registration document rather than > a V5c. Get a V5C for it - asap. The wholesale replacement of the old V5 with V5Cs was intended to get the long-dead stuff off the database, so you do need to basically prod 'em and say "Oi, this is still extant". > Something I read when SORN came in led me to believe that I needed a > VOSA inspection to put it back on the road - but perhaps that is not the > case if your examples are anything to go by. Definitely not. I think you might be getting confused with the V5-V5C replacement, but I've not heard of anybody needing more than just a little prod of DVLA. If there's no Swansea V5, it'll get a bit more complex, but an old-old logbook should provide sufficient proof to link the paperwork and vehicle together. You'll need to do that in conjunction with a DVLA-approved club, though.
From: Roger Chapman on 24 Jun 2010 14:26
On 24/06/2010 10:43, Adrian wrote: >>> Nope. I've got a couple which haven't been MOTd, taxed or insured since >>> >> before SORN, and for which I have V5Cs. I've bought them since the >>> >> introduction of SORN. >> > That's interesting. I have a non-SORNed car that has been in my garage >> > for 20 years, and I still have the old registration document rather than >> > a V5c. > Get a V5C for it - asap. The wholesale replacement of the old V5 with > V5Cs was intended to get the long-dead stuff off the database, so you do > need to basically prod 'em and say "Oi, this is still extant". > I have a couple of long dead non-sorn basket cases and I became more than a bit worried that their registrations could be kicked off the DVLA database some time ago now. However when I asked the DVLA to replace the V5s with V5Cs there was no problem. You never know when the rules might change so best do as Adrian says and upgrade to V5C just in case. |