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From: Brent on 24 Apr 2010 18:41

Something else I've been honked at for has been stopping for the
fraction of a second of red between the green ball and the green arrow.

I knew that RLCs would likely ticket that. Sure enough:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/31/3119.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FndhEE-pKRs


From: gpsman on 24 Apr 2010 23:49
On Apr 24, 6:41 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

The purpose of RLCs is to catch RLRs.

> Something else I've been honked at for has been stopping for the
> fraction of a second of red between the green ball and the green arrow.

Seems unlikely.

> I knew that RLCs would likely ticket that. Sure enough:
>
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/31/3119.asphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FndhEE-pKRs

The motorist exhibits no intent to stop. Nothing wrong with that as
long as you don't cross the stop bar before the arrow.
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- gpsman
From: Brent on 25 Apr 2010 17:02
On 2010-04-25, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
>>
>>Something else I've been honked at for has been stopping for the
>>fraction of a second of red between the green ball and the green arrow.
>>
>>I knew that RLCs would likely ticket that. Sure enough:
>>
>>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/31/3119.asp
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FndhEE-pKRs
>
> Another page from the "programming traffic signals for profit"
> handbook. Chapter 1 was shortening yellow light times; chapter 2 is
> delaying the appearance of the green arrow. The green arrow *should*
> come on at the same time as the green ball, and stay lit as the
> through traffic signals go to yellow and then red; there is NO logical
> reason to make right turning drivers stop (except to extract an
> undeserved $500 from their wallets).
>
> That is one ticket I would fight tooth and nail.

Actually that is the default behavior of most traffic lights and has
been for decades. My guess is that the green right arrows for one
direction are wired to the green left turn arrows of the other. It makes
for a more simple controler. It wouldn't matter much back in the days of
human enforcement. With machine enforcement it's a profit center.


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