I went for a cycle ride on Friday afternoon.
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From: GT on 20 Jun 2010 16:55 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:c5b78c0c-5f27-4f5c-92f8-224d43df8cb1(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On 19 June, 20:18, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:5ab94480-b155-44bd-9c18-9bb112e4b7c7(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... >> >> > Big mistake! Not to be recommended. It just didn't occur to me when I >> > set off and never ever to be repeated. Three examples of motoring >> > madness combined to provide a hostile and highly dangerous >> > environment. They are... >> >> > a) The school run >> > b) An early rush-hour home. >> > c) The weekend getaway. >> >> You slate car drivers for driving vehicles that *might* crash, yet you >> continued on a journey even though it was a "hostile and highly dangerous >> environment". That is just irresponsible! >> > There was no problem to start with but it became a problem at about > school turning out time as I was on my way home, also the same time as > the early Friday rush hour began. Yeah - the ratrace. We're all in the same boat there - 'work to live' though! >> > The roads were atrocious, with jams and impenetrable queues of fast >> > cars which made turning right virtually impossible. Of course many of >> > the car multitude came dangerously close to my bicycle, which was >> > wobbling from fear. >> >> May I ask... if the cars were all queued, then why did you have any >> difficulty in turning right? I usually find when there is a large queue, >> its >> very easy to turn right as no one is moving and you can turn into the >> side >> road. The only danger is when someone is illegally undertaking the queue >> of >> cars and you don't see them until its too late. If they were overtaking >> the >> queue, the right-turning driver would see them and wait for them to pass. >> > The usual problem, stuck on the inside with no gap in the long lines > of fast approaching cars from both directions to use to turn right. > Not even a chance to occupy the primary position prior to turning > right without putting my life in danger. Ahh - I thought you were talking about long traffic jams - you described it as a 'large queue' and I presumed stationary. Yes I should imagine that would be a pretty nasty for right turn bikes. You could always stick your arm out and just start moving over - works for taxi drivers and buses! > What I am talking about here is a longish road with no side turnings, > until the one on the right I wanted to enter. Clearly, in this mass of > fast moving traffic I could not have sustained the primary position > for a lengthy period without being hooted at and possibly being > deliberately rammed, accidentally on purpose of course. So I had to > remain in the gutter, where cyclists are expected to stay, such is > their widely perceived status as road users. >> >> I won't ask about the afraid bicycle! >> > My justifiable fear was transmited to the bicycle. You'll be talking to the animals next!
From: Derek Geldard on 20 Jun 2010 17:10 On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:54:34 +0100, "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >"Derek Geldard" <dgg(a)miniac.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:l5tr16libp7n4uu0mresj603atgghf7ad4(a)4ax.com... >> >> If they pay for the road they can have it how they like. > >Sorry, but the road is not yours to take bids for :-) > Not that road. And IGWS they can only "Have it how they like" if they start from scratch, and * pay * from day one. Got that? Pay, copper up, expend , disburse , lay out,, pay (out), spend, shell out. Derek
From: Doug on 21 Jun 2010 01:36 On 20 June, 14:10, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > On 20 June, 07:44, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >>news:c5b78c0c-5f27-4f5c-92f8-224d43df8cb1(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > >>> What I am talking about here is a longish road with no side turnings, > >>> until the one on the right I wanted to enter. Clearly, in this mass of > >>> fast moving traffic I could not have sustained the primary position > >>> for a lengthy period without being hooted at and possibly being > >>> deliberately rammed, accidentally on purpose of course. So I had to > >>> remain in the gutter, where cyclists are expected to stay, such is > >>> their widely perceived status as road users. > >> What road was this Doug? > > >> I know there are some roads, in some areas, where drivers tend to hoot at > >> cyclist and I'd like to get some idea what it is about the road which causes > >> this. > > > I am talking about a semi-rural area on the outskirts of Greater > > London. I imagine in the conditions I have described drivers are > > somewhat fraught. > > > Doug. > > Why would that be? > The stress of driving in such conditions, obviously. It is abundantly clear that drivers abhor any form of delay to their journey and they get in a right old state whenever it happens. They perceive cyclists as a prime source of delays. It also explains why so many motorists post so critically to a cycling newsgroup. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Doug on 21 Jun 2010 01:46 On 20 June, 21:55, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:c5b78c0c-5f27-4f5c-92f8-224d43df8cb1(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 19 June, 20:18, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >>news:5ab94480-b155-44bd-9c18-9bb112e4b7c7(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... > > >> > Big mistake! Not to be recommended. It just didn't occur to me when I > >> > set off and never ever to be repeated. Three examples of motoring > >> > madness combined to provide a hostile and highly dangerous > >> > environment. They are... > > >> > a) The school run > >> > b) An early rush-hour home. > >> > c) The weekend getaway. > > >> You slate car drivers for driving vehicles that *might* crash, yet you > >> continued on a journey even though it was a "hostile and highly dangerous > >> environment". That is just irresponsible! > > > There was no problem to start with but it became a problem at about > > school turning out time as I was on my way home, also the same time as > > the early Friday rush hour began. > > Yeah - the ratrace. We're all in the same boat there - 'work to live' > though! > > > > >> > The roads were atrocious, with jams and impenetrable queues of fast > >> > cars which made turning right virtually impossible. Of course many of > >> > the car multitude came dangerously close to my bicycle, which was > >> > wobbling from fear. > > >> May I ask... if the cars were all queued, then why did you have any > >> difficulty in turning right? I usually find when there is a large queue, > >> its > >> very easy to turn right as no one is moving and you can turn into the > >> side > >> road. The only danger is when someone is illegally undertaking the queue > >> of > >> cars and you don't see them until its too late. If they were overtaking > >> the > >> queue, the right-turning driver would see them and wait for them to pass. > > > The usual problem, stuck on the inside with no gap in the long lines > > of fast approaching cars from both directions to use to turn right. > > Not even a chance to occupy the primary position prior to turning > > right without putting my life in danger. > > Ahh - I thought you were talking about long traffic jams - you described it > as a 'large queue' and I presumed stationary. Yes I should imagine that > would be a pretty nasty for right turn bikes. You could always stick your > arm out and just start moving over - works for taxi drivers and buses! > No there was a long, static jam on the other side of the road, caused by a broken down bus. At the same time there was a stream of fast traffic passing from the other direction which not only posed a danger to me but frustrated those drivers trying to overtake the bus and get out of the jam. Having seriously chanced my luck with a rapidly approaching hooting car it was a doddle then to get through a small gap in the static jam to enter the side road. > > > What I am talking about here is a longish road with no side turnings, > > until the one on the right I wanted to enter. Clearly, in this mass of > > fast moving traffic I could not have sustained the primary position > > for a lengthy period without being hooted at and possibly being > > deliberately rammed, accidentally on purpose of course. So I had to > > remain in the gutter, where cyclists are expected to stay, such is > > their widely perceived status as road users. > > >> I won't ask about the afraid bicycle! > > > My justifiable fear was transmited to the bicycle. > > You'll be talking to the animals next! > I talk to dogs sometimes and they seem to understand quite a lot, like 'sit', 'stay', 'bad dog!', 'good boy!, etc. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Tony Dragon on 21 Jun 2010 01:56
Doug wrote: > On 20 June, 14:10, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> On 20 June, 07:44, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>>> news:c5b78c0c-5f27-4f5c-92f8-224d43df8cb1(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>>> What I am talking about here is a longish road with no side turnings, >>>>> until the one on the right I wanted to enter. Clearly, in this mass of >>>>> fast moving traffic I could not have sustained the primary position >>>>> for a lengthy period without being hooted at and possibly being >>>>> deliberately rammed, accidentally on purpose of course. So I had to >>>>> remain in the gutter, where cyclists are expected to stay, such is >>>>> their widely perceived status as road users. >>>> What road was this Doug? >>>> I know there are some roads, in some areas, where drivers tend to hoot at >>>> cyclist and I'd like to get some idea what it is about the road which causes >>>> this. >>> I am talking about a semi-rural area on the outskirts of Greater >>> London. I imagine in the conditions I have described drivers are >>> somewhat fraught. >>> Doug. >> Why would that be? >> > The stress of driving in such conditions, obviously. If you say so. > It is abundantly > clear that drivers abhor any form of delay to their journey If you say so. >and they > get in a right old state whenever it happens. If you say so. > They perceive cyclists > as a prime source of delays. If you say so. > It also explains why so many motorists > post so critically to a cycling newsgroup. > > -- . > UK Radical Campaigns. > http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > > > It must be true if you say so, as you are never wrong. -- Tony Dragon |