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From: Tony Dragon on 2 Mar 2010 13:06 Doug wrote: > On 2 Mar, 16:30, Christopher Bowlas <chris.bow...(a)googlemail.com> > wrote: >> On Mar 2, 9:40 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> I am still waiting to see where your assertion is enshrined in law >>> about someone's 'right to a free passage' entitles them to the violent >>> use of a weapon. >> How about you proving you have the right to block someone's passage >> without their consent? >> > I maintain that blocking someone on a highway for a few minutes is a > much lesser offence than their use of threats of violence and actual > physical violence, especially with the aid of a car as a weapon. > Though obviously several motorists here are seen to disagree, as would > no doubt many motorists who are also police who take no action in such > cases. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > > > > So you now admit that blocking the highway is an offence, thank you. I'll just quote what you said in case you didn't see it .I maintain that blocking someone on a highway for a few minutes is a much lesser offence' -- Tony Dragon
From: Tony Dragon on 2 Mar 2010 13:09 Doug wrote: > On 2 Mar, 16:15, Huge <H...(a)nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> On 2010-03-02, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@some.oddities-etc.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Whilst two wrongs, if the second is true, don't make a right perhaps you >>> could clarify once and for all as you usually wriggle. A simple yes or >>> no will suffice. >>> A) Do you approve of cyclists blocking junctions to other road users? >>> B) Do you approve of cyclists ignoring red lights? >> I care about off-topic cross-postings. Does that count? >> >> (Hint: This is completely off-topic in u.r.d.) >> > What, a driver physically threatening a cyclist with a car-weapon, as > often happens in the UK, and on a newsgroup that frequently demonises > cyclists? It is difficult to imagine anything more on-topic. > > > -- > Critical Mass London > http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk > "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist" > Non answering of the question noted. -- Tony Dragon
From: Tony Dragon on 2 Mar 2010 13:10 Doug wrote: > On 2 Mar, 17:05, johannes <j...(a)sizefi83735722tter.com> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >> >>> It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police >>> despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special >>> dispensation for drivers against cyclists? >>> "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and >>> Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. >>> "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist >>> is heard saying on a YouTube video. >>> The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to >>> strike a bicyclist with his car. >>> "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds >>> before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." >>> More with videos: >>> http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 >> And you have to go halfway around the world to find this single example >> of a bad motorist... >> > If you had been following these newsgroups properly you would know > that such things also happen here in the UK and that CM is world wide. > > -- > Critical Mass London > http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk > "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist" Something that you seem to find hard to prove (that it is always happening) -- Tony Dragon
From: Big Les Wade on 2 Mar 2010 13:12 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> posted >So it comes down to what is considered 'reasonable'? CMers maintain >that corking is reasonable for the protection of riders But since the law specifically states that it is illegal, they must be wrong about that. At least in the eyes of the law. >and the >motorist's violent response would seem to support that idea. On the contrary. The motorist was not violent before being "corked". His violence was directly due to the corking. So it looks as though corking is quite dangerous for cyclists. >> I don't think 'deliberately blocking others from using the highway without >> lawful authority' would come under the 'reasonable purposes' for which you're >> allowed to use the highway. 'Use' of a public highway is not >>trespass, I agree, >> but as I understand it the case under discussion concerns >>deliberately blocking >> the public highway, which is not a legitimate 'use'. >> >Once again its open to interpretation. Neither is it reasonable for a >car to enter from a side road against a stream of oncoming traffic, >particularly by the use of force. No, it wouldn't be. If the cyclists had simply ridden past on a major road the motorist would have no right to push out. But that's not what "corking" is about AIUI. It is the unlawful blocking of a junction using stationary vehicles. -- Les Criticising the government is not illegal, but often on investigation turns out to be linked to serious offences.
From: Mrcheerful on 2 Mar 2010 13:15
Doug wrote: > On 2 Mar, 17:05, johannes <j...(a)sizefi83735722tter.com> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >> >>> It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police >>> despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special >>> dispensation for drivers against cyclists? >> >>> "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. >>> and Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. >>> "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist >>> is heard saying on a YouTube video. >> >>> The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening >>> to strike a bicyclist with his car. >> >>> "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds >>> before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." >> >>> More with videos: >>> http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 >> >> And you have to go halfway around the world to find this single >> example of a bad motorist... >> > If you had been following these newsgroups properly you would know > that such things also happen here in the UK and that CM is world wide. so you would have no problem if I parked a bus in front of the next cm and said they could not pass for the safety of other road users? I think you would all be p'dd off. Just the same as car drivers are p'dd off about some lycra lout daring the car driver to run him over. If these ideas become widespread then I can see a return to 60's style runs out with pick axe handles to knock some sense into the cyclists, same as happened to the mods and their scooters. |