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From: Halmyre on 2 Mar 2010 15:53 In article <36bc5237-c575-49cb-9fc6-e5339bd890d3 @o30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, nik.morgan(a)mac.com says... > On 2 Mar, 07:13, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > So you think that its OK for motorists to deliberately ram cyclists to > > make them move out of the way > > > In the circumstances I think it's fine, easy solution is not to > deliberatly block the road. > I think it's only using reasonable force to get away from a threatening situation. -- Halmyre This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off.
From: NM on 2 Mar 2010 16:42 On 2 Mar, 17:03, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Once again its open to interpretation. Neither is it reasonable for a > car to enter from a side road against a stream of oncoming traffic, > particularly by the use of force. There was no stream of traffic, there were static cycles deliberately placed in the way.
From: Doug on 2 Mar 2010 17:47 On Mar 2, 8:46 pm, "Steve Walker" <spam-t...(a)beeb.net> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > So it comes down to what is considered 'reasonable'? CMers maintain > > that corking is reasonable for the protection of riders and the > > motorist's violent response would seem to support that idea. > > It is a common factor amongst criminals that they think that their > particular offending behaviour is somehow justifiable or not serious > compared to the behaviour of others. Same rule applies, from Dr Shipman > right down to your bullying little gangs of lycra-louts. > > "CMers maintain that corking is reasonable" has the same moral value as > "muggers maintain that you should give them your wallet" To be honest, you would probably have a more sensible conversation with a mugger. Doug
From: Steve Walker on 2 Mar 2010 17:50 Doug wrote: > On Mar 2, 8:46 pm, "Steve Walker" <spam-t...(a)beeb.net> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> So it comes down to what is considered 'reasonable'? CMers maintain >>> that corking is reasonable for the protection of riders and the >>> motorist's violent response would seem to support that idea. >> >> It is a common factor amongst criminals that they think that their >> particular offending behaviour is somehow justifiable or not serious >> compared to the behaviour of others. Same rule applies, from Dr Shipman >> right down to your bullying little gangs of lycra-louts. >> >> "CMers maintain that corking is reasonable" has the same moral value as >> "muggers maintain that you should give them your wallet" > > To be honest, you would probably have a more sensible conversation > with a mugger. Thankyou for acknowledging that, it does you credit.
From: webreader on 2 Mar 2010 18:05
On Mar 2, 8:52 pm, "Steve Walker" <spam-t...(a)beeb.net> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > On 2 Mar, 16:30, Christopher Bowlas <chris.bow...(a)googlemail.com> > > wrote: > >> On Mar 2, 9:40 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >>> I am still waiting to see where your assertion is enshrined in law > >>> about someone's 'right to a free passage' entitles them to the violent > >>> use of a weapon. > > >> How about you proving you have the right to block someone's passage > >> without their consent? > > > I maintain that blocking someone on a highway for a few minutes is a > > much lesser offence than their use of threats of violence and actual > > physical violence, especially with the aid of a car as a weapon. > > Criminals always say that sort of thing to minimise their own culpability.. > Someone who runs over a cyclist by accident will say that the Police should > be concentrating on 'real criminals' like bank robbers and murderers > instead. Bank robbers say that nonces and terrorists should be the > priority. > > You can't excuse bad behaviour just by pointing at someone worse. How about we all turn up at the next CM as pedestrians, when the pedestrian lights are in our favour we cross the road forcing CM to stop. Those who don't stop we just push off their bikes. I recomend carrying umbrellas & walking sticks, they fit in the front wheels of bikes quite well. We could also have an official scorekeeper to see who bags the most bikers in the evening. (Extra points for felling Doug) (Even more extra points if Doug is videoed on the ground) WSR |