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From: Steve Walker on 4 Mar 2010 03:49 Doug wrote: > On 3 Mar, 11:17, NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote: >> On 3 Mar, 08:56, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I was just reading about a USA CMer who was run over, had is ankle >>> broken and who then smashed his bike into the windscreen of his >>> assailant. Naturally, it was the cyclist who was charged with an >>> offence and not the driver, by the car-centric law enforcers, as >>> usual. >> >> Good, sounds like he deserved it, I hope the motorist was also >> compensated for his damage. >> What is so hard to understand? If you cause deliberate congestion you >> will get a reaction, remedy is so simple a child (but not apparantly a >> lycra loon) could understand, don't do it and if you do accept the >> consequences. >> > The consequences are a driver, who has superior force by using a car > as a weapon, takes the law into his own hands by attacking a cyclist > by ramming. And you and other motorists here are trying to pretend > this was a legal act because the cyclist was deliberately corking? You are suddenly changing the story to make the initial collision into a deliberate assault by the driver (rather than an accident). If there is evidence of that then of course the driver should be prosecuted.
From: Steve Walker on 4 Mar 2010 05:26 Ret. wrote: > Would the fatality have occurred if the pilot had stopped his machine? Yes, but that reductionist approach isn't generally helpful : - Would the death of Jean Charles de Menezes have occurred if the police officers had kept their guns holstered? - Would the Hudson River Plane Landing have been neceesary if the passengers had gone by train? - Would Princess Di still be alive if she had worn her seatbelt? - Would PC Ian Terry have died if his force had dissolved it's dangerously indisciplined firearms unit? - Would child road fatalities be reduced by a national 10mph limit? - Would Fred West have been able to commit his crimes if the city of Bristol had been nuked from the sky? - Would Michael Powell still be alive if 6 hefty cops hadn't crushed & asphyxiated him? These questions tell us nothing useful. Life has to go on despite protesters, and we just have to use the best care we can. You wouldn't seriously argue that it's right that a single 'swampie' protester can cost millions per day by halting a major construction project, would you? Or that the whole M25 should be halted until the F4J protesters came down from that gantry they were on? I reckon the pilot will say he taxi'd his plane around the protester (allowing a safety margin), and that the protester then made a reckless decision to move forward into a dangerous area out of his line of sight. *If* that's the case, I can't see how the pilot can reasonably be blamed.
From: soup on 4 Mar 2010 05:55 On 04/03/2010 09:28, Ret. wrote: > Would the fatality have occurred if the pilot had stopped his machine? That rather supposes he *could* stop his machine. Or knew he had to; supporter in blind spot, keeps jiggling about etc.
From: Esra Sdrawkcab on 4 Mar 2010 06:08 On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:26:22 -0000, Steve Walker <spam-trap(a)beeb.net> wrote: > > - Would Fred West have been able to commit his crimes if the city of > Bristol > had been nuked from the sky? > Gloucester urc removed from xpost -- Nuns! Reverse!
From: Steve Walker on 4 Mar 2010 06:13
Esra Sdrawkcab wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:26:22 -0000, Steve Walker <spam-trap(a)beeb.net> > wrote: > > >> >> - Would Fred West have been able to commit his crimes if the city of >> Bristol had been nuked from the sky? >> > > Gloucester If you're going to be picky..... :o) |