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From: Conor on 2 Mar 2010 06:06 On 02/03/2010 07:29, Doug wrote: > The cyclists were stationary at the time and therefore not cycling > dangerously. No, they were cycling illegally. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Steve Walker on 2 Mar 2010 06:17 Doug wrote: > For reasons which have been discussed many times before, it would > fragment the ride, aka procession, and cause even more hold-ups. You are referring to the deliberate flouting of traffic signals, I assume (eg "It's controversial because the bicyclists of Critical Mass routinely block intersections, regardless of whether they have a red light or green light. Called "corking," they say they do it because it keeps the cyclists together and makes the ride safer.) I think it's blatant hypocrisy to say that cyclists can ignore important traffic safety laws if they choose to do so, but that a motorist who challenges them is some sort of evil villain. This typifies the blundering strategy of pro-cycling zealots, who are alienating the public further every day by encouraging this sort of nonsense (single cyclists riding in the centre of the carriageway is another example). The answer to all protests is "we are morally superior and you must adapt to us", without realising the effect this has. I'm a guardian-reading lefty-liberal, a lifetime amnesty member, but in the cycling war you'll find me stood right next to Jeremy Clarkson. That should tell you how the pro-cycling campaign is going very badly wrong
From: Steve Walker on 2 Mar 2010 06:18 Big Les Wade wrote: > Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> posted >> It is becoming increasingly clear here that motorists believe the >> deliberate use of a car as a physical weapon is sometimes justified. > > In this case, I have a great deal of sympathy for the motorist. The > cyclist deliberately broke the law in order to further his own interests > at the expense of others. He was lucky not have got his lights firmly > punched out. > >> Which, of course, explains a lot about the average motorist's mindset. > > I'm not an average motorist - I cycle and walk far more than I drive - > but I can recognise stupidity and selfishness when I see it, whether > exercised by motorists or cyclists. Well said.
From: Toom Tabard on 2 Mar 2010 06:21 On 2 Mar, 10:18, "Iain" <s...(a)smaps.net> wrote: > > I am sure that if you did further research, you could quite swiftly come up > with examples of what your legal rights are if you are denied your 'right of > free passage' by a trespasser. > In almost all forms of trespass, the person whose rights are infringed can use reasonable force to remove the trespass. In the case of the right to use the highway, if you wish to enforce that right and try to force passage or say that you wish to pass, then anyone unlawfully denying it, and using, or threatening to use, physical force to stop you would be the one who was commiting the assault. "An assault is committed when a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force. (Archbold 19-166 and 19-172)" Toom
From: martin on 2 Mar 2010 06:26
On 02/03/2010 09:57, Christopher Bowlas wrote: > On Mar 2, 6:35 am, Doug<jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police >> despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special >> dispensation for drivers against cyclists? >> >> "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and >> Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. >> "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist >> is heard saying on a YouTube video. >> >> The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to >> strike a bicyclist with his car. >> >> "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds >> before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." > > Rather too lightly to have bent either his of his bicycle's frame. If they'd have tried that in Texas it could well have been a 6-shooter and blast the ignorant tosser out the way to cheers from the peanut gallery. |