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From: Steve Walker on 2 Mar 2010 07:43 Andy Leighton wrote: > Would you also support people giving inconsiderate drivers who block the > highway (as described above) a similar painful shock? Would you expect > the same lack of sympathy? Yes.
From: Chris Bartram on 2 Mar 2010 08:01 On 02/03/2010 11:52, Andy Leighton wrote: > Would you also support people giving inconsiderate drivers who block the > highway (as described above) a similar painful shock? Would you expect > the same lack of sympathy? I would, and they will have no sympathy from me. Roads should be passable and pavements are for people to walk on. > > I don't think motorists are arguing from a position of moral superiority, > which certainly doesn't excuse poor behaviour in others, but does make > their anti-cyclist moralising much weaker. > Perhaps, but Doug seems to argue from the point of cyclists being always right, which they are not. He's really very tiresome, or sometimes amusing, if you're in the mood for incoherent ranting. I'd personally like to see all inconsiderate blocking of the public highway treated harshly, be it from drivers of motor vehicles, cyclists, horse riders or whatever. I don't park on the pavement. I don't block the road or run red lights with my pedal cycle, I don't walk out into traffic when a pedestrian. I expect other road users to behave in a similar manner, though I do get continually dissapointed that they don't.
From: Ophelia on 2 Mar 2010 08:03 "Iain" <spam(a)smaps.net> wrote in message news:7v4bkqF1t9U1(a)mid.individual.net... > "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:q_5jn.46440$Ym4.26691(a)text.news.virginmedia.com... > >> these are the main two from RTA1988: >> 28 Reckless cycling >> A person who rides a cycle on a road recklessly is guilty of an offence. >> 29 Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling >> If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or >> without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is >> guilty of an offence. >> >> So about 90 percent of cyclists commit offences every day, yet are not >> charged, why is that? is there some sort of blind eye turned because they >> are cyclists? > > > I knew that I had seen a page somewhere. From Bike for All - Cycling and > the Law: > http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php > > It covers all sorts of things. I note that a shop started a campaign 'Use > Your Head - Stop at Red'. > http://www.stopatred.org/ > > One thing I have been wondering is whether someone can carry out a > citizen's arrest, say, for a cyclist going through a red light, or for > cycling on the pavement. I expect so, but only if the cyclist is much smaller than the person making the arrest. -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
From: Chris Bartram on 2 Mar 2010 08:09 On 02/03/2010 11:37, Iain wrote: > It covers all sorts of things. I note that a shop started a campaign 'Use > Your Head - Stop at Red'. > http://www.stopatred.org/ It's interesting that that shop is in York. I was there recently, and *every* cyclist stopped at a red light, which is most certainly not the case here in the W Mids.
From: Peter Grange on 2 Mar 2010 08:49
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:33:30 -0000, "Mr Benn" <nospam(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >"Andy Leighton" <andyl(a)azaal.plus.com> wrote in message >news:slrnhopv0b.b1c.andyl(a)azaal.plus.com... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:42:39 GMT, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > >>> I think that if cyclists are going to deliberately obstruct roads then >>> they >>> are going to get a painful shock, and there will be little sympathy from >>> the >>> general public. >> >> Would you also support people giving inconsiderate drivers who block the >> highway (as described above) a similar painful shock? Would you expect >> the same lack of sympathy? >> >> I don't think motorists are arguing from a position of moral superiority, >> which certainly doesn't excuse poor behaviour in others, but does make >> their anti-cyclist moralising much weaker. > >Tu quoque is a Latin term that describes a kind of logical fallacy. A tu >quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting >his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it >attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person >making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the >party itself, rather than its positions. > Hang on! Doug started this rant about motorists. The motorist faction comes in and complains about cyclists. A cyclist responds complaining about motorists, the motorist faction comes back with "tu quoque". |