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From: Bert Hyman on 2 May 2010 16:06 [posted and mailed] On 02 May 2010, you wrote in tx.guns: > First of all, IMO, to become a natural born citizen, one, or both > parents must be within the county LEGALLY! Well, your opinion doesn't count for much here; the 14th Amendment trumps you. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert(a)iphouse.com
From: Joan F (MI) on 2 May 2010 16:21 Wrong, it's in the Constitution that anyone born here is a citizen. richard wrote: | Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no | longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the | states.
From: Omelet on 2 May 2010 21:08 In article <1xe1smb8t7yt3$.i78ox2ycw4uo$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote: > > > In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, > > richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning > >> it. > >> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no > >> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states. > > > > Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional > > right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned > > by the supreme court? > > cite to which? > Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you the > legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right". > > It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage. > That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers who > had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they > came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers. > > Do your own research. Educate yourself. I was referring to your statement that the birth right had been removed. Anchor babies have been being born for years here due to the constitution. I am unaware of any law that takes that right away... -- Peace! Om Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet> Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine
From: Omelet on 2 May 2010 21:14 In article <14r1ksjrwgvo3.2k3f7hj57ddr$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > > What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in > > the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this > > violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed. > > > > > And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am > > guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating > > technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give > > the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest > > mistake. > > > > I was pointing out that laws get changed. > Even though the child of an illegal may get citizenship, does that mean the > child will not be deported to Mexico along with the parents? They may be, but they can come back later as they were born here so are legal citizens by the 14 amendment. > > First of all, IMO, to become a natural born citizen, one, or both parents > must be within the county LEGALLY! You wish. The constitution does not specify. > After all, status of "illegal alien" is granted because that person did not > properly register at a proper checkpoint. But that does not include a child born here. -- Peace! Om Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet> Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine
From: W. Jenkins on 2 May 2010 22:40
"richard" <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote in message news:14r1ksjrwgvo3.2k3f7hj57ddr$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:30:27 -0500, Stephan Rothstein wrote: > >> richard wrote: >>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote: >>> >>>> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, >>>> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by >>>>> earning >>>>> it. >>>>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no >>>>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the >>>>> states. >>>> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a >>>> constitutional >>>> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get >>>> overturned >>>> by the supreme court? >>> >>> cite to which? >>> Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you >>> the >>> legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right". >>> >>> It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by >>> marriage. >>> That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers >>> who >>> had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they >>> came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers. >>> >>> Do your own research. Educate yourself. >> >> What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in >> the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this >> violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed. > >> >> And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am >> guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating >> technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give >> the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest >> mistake. >> > > I was pointing out that laws get changed. > Even though the child of an illegal may get citizenship, does that mean > the > child will not be deported to Mexico along with the parents? > > First of all, IMO, to become a natural born citizen, one, or both parents > must be within the county LEGALLY! > After all, status of "illegal alien" is granted because that person did > not > properly register at a proper checkpoint. Is your last name Cranium? |