From: richard on
On Sun, 2 May 2010 07:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Charlie wrote:

> On May 2, 8:31�am, climber <coledenk...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 1, 3:38�pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers"
>>
>> <threeb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Bammer is a traitor and is totally controlled by Big Business and they
>>> love illegals and those $4 wages with no benefits.
>>
>> Does anyone support that miserable collection of swine called Congress
>> and the
>> Executive? America needs a total breakdown and rebuild.
>>
>> climber
>>
>> of interest:
>>
>> http://www.stormfront.org/�Stormfront (fine forums)
>>
>> http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/�Vanguard News Network
>
> What's sad about illegals is the fact they do siphon off social
> services which in turn increases the working men and women in this
> country payment of taxes. Even Hispanic citizens of this country
> don't get it, they're paying for their free health care and
> schooling. My Mother in Law was a Principal in Placentia, California
> years ago and told me that 20% of each class were children of
> illegals....who pays for their education? When people on Social
> Security didn't receive a cost of living increase this year, why was
> that? I'm all for Hispanic's coming to this country as long as they
> work, pay taxes and obey the laws, even illegals. But at least
> document them, give them their green cards but tell them it doesn't
> mean they get citizenship. If they come to this country to have
> children, that child should not receive automatic US citizenship
> either. NO NO! If they don't follow the rules then Whites should
> start boycotting everything Mexican including food products and
> restaurants even if owned by Non Hispanics. Boycott them like they're
> going to boycott Arizona and penalize that State. Liberals want
> amnesty for these people because they need to remain in power because
> they know they'll get their votes at some point. NO AMNESTY.

FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning
it.
Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no
longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states.
From: Omelet on
In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:

>
> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning
> it.
> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no
> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states.

Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional
right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned
by the supreme court?
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From: richard on
On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning
>> it.
>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no
>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states.
>
> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional
> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned
> by the supreme court?

cite to which?
Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you the
legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right".

It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage.
That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers who
had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they
came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers.

Do your own research. Educate yourself.
From: "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" on

"Stephan Rothstein" <srothstein(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BDDB6B3.6000501(a)earthlink.net...
> richard wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
>>> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by
>>>> earning
>>>> it.
>>>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no
>>>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the
>>>> states.
>>> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional
>>> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned
>>> by the supreme court?
>>
>> cite to which?
>> Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you
>> the
>> legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right".
>>
>> It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage.
>> That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers
>> who
>> had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they
>> came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers.
>>
>> Do your own research. Educate yourself.
>
> What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in
> the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this
> violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed.
>
> And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am
> guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating
> technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give
> the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest
> mistake.
>
> Steve Rothstein


Oh, no doubt.

He deliberately lied.

Contextual obfuscation is a regular tactic of his, but he's so blunt and
stupid he rarely gets away with it.

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From: richard on
On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:30:27 -0500, Stephan Rothstein wrote:

> richard wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
>>> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning
>>>> it.
>>>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no
>>>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states.
>>> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional
>>> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned
>>> by the supreme court?
>>
>> cite to which?
>> Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you the
>> legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right".
>>
>> It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage.
>> That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers who
>> had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they
>> came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers.
>>
>> Do your own research. Educate yourself.
>
> What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in
> the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this
> violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed.

>
> And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am
> guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating
> technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give
> the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest
> mistake.
>

I was pointing out that laws get changed.
Even though the child of an illegal may get citizenship, does that mean the
child will not be deported to Mexico along with the parents?

First of all, IMO, to become a natural born citizen, one, or both parents
must be within the county LEGALLY!
After all, status of "illegal alien" is granted because that person did not
properly register at a proper checkpoint.