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From: mileburner on 13 Jul 2010 10:54

"Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 July, 09:24, JNugent <jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> alan.holmes wrote:
>> > I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's
>> > brakes
>> > and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning!
>> > I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before
>> > the
>> > turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to
>> > wait
>> > until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn.
>>
>> I agree on the "correct" way to do it, and in an ideal world one would
>> always
>> do it. But there can be situations where the left-turning driver judges
>> that
>> not indiucating left in advance can be a wise(r) way to proceed than the
>> standard method.
>>
>> A good example would be approaching your left turn and noting that there
>> is a
>> large HGV or a bus waiting to turn right into it from the opposite
>> direction.
>> Give the driver enough notice and he'll be tempted to turn in front of
>> you
>> and then you'll be stuck behind him. And that is Not Good (depending on
>> the
>> type of road the turning is, of course).
>>
>
> And that would never do. Flippin' kids!

I can just imagine the situation where there is a queue of traffic being
held up by someone waiting to turn right, and someone in the opposite
direction is planning to turn left but does not indicate early on the off
chance that the vehicle turning right might take advantage of the
opportunity and go. That really is the ultimate in selfish driving
behaviour. I suspect this type of attitude is not unusual though :-(


From: JNugent on 13 Jul 2010 11:44
mileburner wrote:

> "Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wroteL
>> JNugent <jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> alan.holmes wrote:

>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's
>>>> brakes and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the
>>>> turning!
>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards
>>>> before the turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that,
>>>> they all seem to wait until they are just about to turn then indicate
>>>> and turn.

>>> I agree on the "correct" way to do it, and in an ideal world one would
>>> always do it. But there can be situations where the left-turning driver
>>> judges that not indiucating left in advance can be a wise(r) way to
>>> proceed than the standard method.

>>> A good example would be approaching your left turn and noting that there
>>> is a large HGV or a bus waiting to turn right into it from the opposite
>>> direction.
>>> Give the driver enough notice and he'll be tempted to turn in front of
>>> you and then you'll be stuck behind him. And that is Not Good (depending
>>> on the type of road the turning is, of course).

>> And that would never do. Flippin' kids!

> I can just imagine the situation where there is a queue of traffic being
> held up by someone waiting to turn right, and someone in the opposite
> direction is planning to turn left but does not indicate early on the off
> chance that the vehicle turning right might take advantage of the
> opportunity and go. That really is the ultimate in selfish driving
> behaviour.

Who loses by it?

The oncoming driver waiting to turn right is *supposed* to wait until the
driver coming the other way has turned left and the drivers behind him are
not somehow entitled to expect him to fail to give way to the oncoming
vehicle(s). But for all that, he might not wait and might fail to accord
proper precedence and just turn across the bows of the oncoming vehicle. And
no-one sensible wants to be stuck behind a lorry or a local bus.

It's hard to see anyone in that situation who is being disadvantaged, except
perhaps for the driver immediately behind the left-turning vehicle - and the
extent of his disadvantage is limited to being slowed down by the brake
lights of the vehicle in fron rather than being forewarned by the left
indicator light a hundred yards sooner. Not much of a disadvantage at all, in
fact.

> I suspect this type of attitude is not unusual though :-(

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be stuck behind a slow-moving
vehicle. And there is especially nothing wrong with not wanting to be stuck
behind a slow-moving vehicle which will stop frequently, often (these days)
at the ultimate expression of pure officious selfishness - the bus build-out,
designed deliberately to hold up traffic and with no other reason for existence.
From: Mr. Benn on 13 Jul 2010 11:48
"JNugent" <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be stuck behind a slow-moving
> vehicle. And there is especially nothing wrong with not wanting to be
> stuck behind a slow-moving vehicle which will stop frequently, often
> (these days) at the ultimate expression of pure officious selfishness -
> the bus build-out, designed deliberately to hold up traffic and with no
> other reason for existence.

I suspect the bus build-outs are to make it easier for the bus drivers to
pull out again after stopping for passengers. I don't approve of them
however as although they make life easier for the bus driver, they also make
life harder for other road users.

From: GT on 13 Jul 2010 15:13
"brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message
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>
> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:iJL_n.207405$Yb4.142523(a)hurricane...
>>
>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's
>> brakes and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the
>> turning!
>>
>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before the
>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to
>> wait until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn.
>
> You find that they actually indicate?
> And with traffic lights near me, my road and the opposite road are single
> lane, so both sides either turn right, left or go straight on.
> When we change to amber I indicate to turn right and wait for the dope
> opposite to let me know where he's going.

Why do you wait for an amber light to tell others around you what your
intentions are? You should be signalling as you approach the lights, whilst
waiting and as you move off.

> We look at each other, I'm indicating right, he's indicating that he's
> going straight on (or brain dead but actually wants to turn right too) but
> comes to a halt (usually), I shake my head muttering expletives and
> sometimes the pillock suddenly understands. I'm afraid that we drive
> amongst a bunch of clueless arseholes, the type who wouldn't dream of
> holding a door open for you.


From: brass monkey on 13 Jul 2010 16:58

"GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message
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> "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:iJL_n.207405$Yb4.142523(a)hurricane...
>>>
>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's
>>> brakes and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the
>>> turning!
>>>
>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before the
>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to
>>> wait until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn.
>>
>> You find that they actually indicate?
>> And with traffic lights near me, my road and the opposite road are single
>> lane, so both sides either turn right, left or go straight on.
>> When we change to amber I indicate to turn right and wait for the dope
>> opposite to let me know where he's going.
>
> Why do you wait for an amber light to tell others around you what your
> intentions are? You should be signalling as you approach the lights,
> whilst waiting and as you move off.

Cos i'm sick and tired of replacing indicator bulbs.

>> We look at each other, I'm indicating right, he's indicating that he's
>> going straight on (or brain dead but actually wants to turn right too)
>> but comes to a halt (usually), I shake my head muttering expletives and
>> sometimes the pillock suddenly understands. I'm afraid that we drive
>> amongst a bunch of clueless arseholes, the type who wouldn't dream of
>> holding a door open for you.


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