From: Sylvia Else on
On 14/06/2010 8:54 PM, OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:17:45 +1000, Sylvia Else
> <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 14/06/2010 7:06 PM, OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:42:07 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>> <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/06/2010 3:17 PM, OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:59:09 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>>>> <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guess we 'control' that part of the ocean so tis easier for us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what sense do we 'control' it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amsa.gov.au/Search_and_Rescue/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aboutus/howatcworks/ourairspace.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OzOne of the three twins
>>>>>
>>>>> I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently we don't control it:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amsa.gov.au/About_AMSA/Corporate_information/Recent_Events/2010/June-WildEyes.asp
>>>>
>>>> "The Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre at La Reunion, operated by
>>>> France, is coordinating the search& rescue response overall as Wild
>>>> Eyes is in La Reunion's search and rescue region. Australia offered to
>>>> assist if required."
>>>>
>>>> The reported position is also just outside Australia's FIR, for all the
>>>> relevance the latter has to a yacht.
>>>>
>>>> I'd have thought this put the financial obligation on France.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently we do..
>>>
>>> http://www.amsa.gov.au/About_AMSA/Corporate_information/Recent_Events/2010/June-WildEyes.asp
>>> "At 12.30pm overall coordination of the search and rescue was
>>> transferred to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue
>>> Coordination Centre (known as "RCC Australia"), as the yacht Wild Eyes
>>> had drifted into the Australian search and rescue region. "
>>>
>>> "The vessel was located by the QANTAS Airbus just after at 4.00pm
>>> (AEST) "
>>>
>>
>> It was initially in France's area of responsibility. France should
>> therefore pay. Otherwise you have the situation where a country can seek
>> to delay rescue efforts so as to avoid financial liability. In any case,
>> France asked for the aircraft to be sent. They should pay for it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You don't seem to understand that responsibilities are shared.

You can leave out comments about what I do or do not understand. They
are not relevant to the debate.

> Sometimes it in your area, sometimes it's not

So France contributes when Australia rescues people that are definitely
in Australia's area of responsibility?

Sylvia.
From: Noddy on

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> No you don't.

You'd know :)

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From: D Walford on
On 14/06/2010 9:37 PM, OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:16:49 +1000, "Noddy"<me(a)home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> <OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> I'd be interested to know where you draw the line at "personal
>>> adventure"
>>
>> Precisely as I mentioned. Anyone setting off on an out of the ordinary trek
>> where there is a fair chance that they'll need to call for help if things
>> don't go exactly as planned.
>>
>>> If my mother in law decided to walk to the local shop it'd be a
>>> prsonal adventure and she may actually require rescue.
>>
>> I suspect that only someone in your family would consider walking to the
>> local shop a "personal adventure".
>
> So where is your line drawn.....For my arthritic demented mother in
> law, a walk to the shops IS a personal adventure.
>
> You might like to define "out of the ordinary trek" especially when a
> trek is a journey involving difficulty or hardship.
>
> I'd state again that for my mother in law a walk to the shops is an
> "out of the ordinary trek"

The difference is the very significant difference in the "rescue" cost,
big difference between $200,000.00 and maybe $2000.00.
Good chance that your mother in law would pay for her rescue through her
ambulance membership or health insurance.


Daryl
From: Noddy on

<OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmmm, So when my arthritic,demented MIL, who has moments of lucidity
> decides that she can walk to the shop and find her way home, that is
> patently stupid and she should not be rescued.

I never said *anyone* shouldn't be rescued, but she is quite unquestionably
patently stupid.

Anything else?

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From: Noddy on

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia(a)not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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> So France contributes when Australia rescues people that are definitely in
> Australia's area of responsibility?

Lol :) That's pretty funny :)

France's idea of contributing to anything is usually by throwing their arms
up in surrender, hiding behind a wall while other people sort out the
problem and then rushing up to the victor and saying "we showed 'em".

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