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From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 21 Jun 2010 00:02 "Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hvmmpr$t3a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 2010-06-20, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: >> "lil abner" <@daisy.mae> wrote in message >> news:CNgTn.83445$HG1.21314(a)newsfe21.iad... >>> Wife driving, we were doing about 5 over, in the right lane. >>> An idiot passes, on the left, looks over his shoulder, at us and >>> proceeds >>> to cut us off. Nobody ahead, of him for a eighth mile. >>> OK; one time but this has happened before, perhaps to you too. >>> What gives? >> >> It's just another form of road rage. >> >> Clearly, it was an MFFY driver who just had to "teach you a lesson" by >> cutting you off because you "made them pass". Once they completed their >> pass, it was obviously their sworn duty to force you to slow down in >> retaliation. >> >> I've seen this happen in the left lane too. Reasonable speed passer gets >> passed on the right by the MFFY passer/speeder, then the MFFY >> passer/speeder >> completes their pass, merges left, and then the brake lights are seen >> blinking a few times as they slow down to teach the reasonable speed >> passer >> a lesson because, once again, they made them pass. > > Were you towing a boat through Chicago tonight with a GM pickup truck? > No, I'm not in Illinois. [snip...]
From: Brent on 21 Jun 2010 00:45 On 2010-06-21, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: >> Were you towing a boat through Chicago tonight with a GM pickup truck? >> > No, I'm not in Illinois. > > [snip...] Another "reasonable speed" LLB not defended.
From: Arif Khokar on 21 Jun 2010 01:01 On 6/20/2010 9:23 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: > Arif Khokar<akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in > news:5fvTn.479402$Ma3.274788(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: >> A couple of things: >> >> 1. Did you recently allow a LLB to pace you for several minutes not too >> long before this occurred? > Oh,that OK's a cutoff? Only an idiot allows a LLB to pace them for miles on end. >> 2. Were you driving significantly slower than the rest of traffic by >> just going only 5 mph over? If the speed limit is 55 mph and traffic is >> going between 68 and 78 mph, then going 60 mph is too slow and disrupts >> traffic unnecessarily. > Bullshit; > if he was in the rightmost lane,5 over is fine. > He's not under any obligation to "keep up with the pack",not in the > rightmost lane. > It's their obligation to pass if they want to go faster. I'll remember that the next time I'm cycling going 20 mph in a 35 mph zone taking the right most lane on a multi-lane surface street. But on highways, if people who are merging are obligated to get up to the speed of traffic, then I believe that drivers in general traffic lanes should keep up with the general traffic flow. Highways are meant for high speed travel. Disruptions that cause traffic to bunch up and slow down aren't acceptable. > what if he was towing a trailer??? are you saying he should speed up in > order to not "disrupt traffic"? Then he should stick to driving on roads where traffic speed is lower.
From: Brent on 21 Jun 2010 01:09 On 2010-06-21, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote: > On 6/20/2010 9:23 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: >> Arif Khokar<akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in >> news:5fvTn.479402$Ma3.274788(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > >>> A couple of things: >>> >>> 1. Did you recently allow a LLB to pace you for several minutes not too >>> long before this occurred? > >> Oh,that OK's a cutoff? > > Only an idiot allows a LLB to pace them for miles on end. > >>> 2. Were you driving significantly slower than the rest of traffic by >>> just going only 5 mph over? If the speed limit is 55 mph and traffic is >>> going between 68 and 78 mph, then going 60 mph is too slow and disrupts >>> traffic unnecessarily. > >> Bullshit; >> if he was in the rightmost lane,5 over is fine. >> He's not under any obligation to "keep up with the pack",not in the >> rightmost lane. >> It's their obligation to pass if they want to go faster. > > I'll remember that the next time I'm cycling going 20 mph in a 35 mph > zone taking the right most lane on a multi-lane surface street. A guy in a BMW buzzed me the other night and makes the immediate right into a strip mall.... I follow. He tells me I shouldn't be on the road when I ask him why saving less than second was worth risking my life that way. > But on highways, if people who are merging are obligated to get up to > the speed of traffic, then I believe that drivers in general traffic > lanes should keep up with the general traffic flow. Highways are meant > for high speed travel. Disruptions that cause traffic to bunch up and > slow down aren't acceptable. But this brings up the cruel nature of the underposted speed limit. Someone who can't get another ticket is essentially trapped at that low low low speed. >> what if he was towing a trailer??? are you saying he should speed up in >> order to not "disrupt traffic"? > Then he should stick to driving on roads where traffic speed is lower. The real solution is to raise to the posted speed limit to an acceptable level. The guy towing a boat tonight was moving well enough for a properly posted interstate highway provided he used the right lane. Sadly he used the left most one exclusively.
From: Jim Yanik on 21 Jun 2010 09:00
Arif Khokar <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in news:BmCTn.124614$nk1.91011(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > On 6/20/2010 9:23 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: >> Arif Khokar<akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in >> news:5fvTn.479402$Ma3.274788(a)unlimited.newshosting.com: > >>> A couple of things: >>> >>> 1. Did you recently allow a LLB to pace you for several minutes not >>> too long before this occurred? > >> Oh,that OK's a cutoff? > > Only an idiot allows a LLB to pace them for miles on end. so,what do YOU do to lose the LLB pacing you? > >>> 2. Were you driving significantly slower than the rest of traffic by >>> just going only 5 mph over? If the speed limit is 55 mph and >>> traffic is going between 68 and 78 mph, then going 60 mph is too >>> slow and disrupts traffic unnecessarily. > >> Bullshit; >> if he was in the rightmost lane,5 over is fine. >> He's not under any obligation to "keep up with the pack",not in the >> rightmost lane. >> It's their obligation to pass if they want to go faster. > > I'll remember that the next time I'm cycling going 20 mph in a 35 mph > zone taking the right most lane on a multi-lane surface street. Would that be "multi-lane" as in more than one lane in each direction? Where passing is usually not a problem,as compared to 2-lane roads with one lane each way,where a bicyclist is a rolling roadblock. Besides,bikes aren't part of MOTOR VEHICLE traffic. They're more like a kid playing in the street. they really don't belong there. (BTW,I put 63 miles my my bike last week(in 6 days),and 60 the week before,most of it on sidewalks or bike trails.) > > But on highways, if people who are merging are obligated to get up to > the speed of traffic, then I believe that drivers in general traffic > lanes should keep up with the general traffic flow. Highways are > meant for high speed travel. Disruptions that cause traffic to bunch > up and slow down aren't acceptable. > >> what if he was towing a trailer??? are you saying he should speed up >> in order to not "disrupt traffic"? > > Then he should stick to driving on roads where traffic speed is lower. Nonsense,any -rational- person knows it takes a loaded semi much longer to get up to speed,and they use highways. In many states,semis are RESTRICTED to lower speeds on the Interstates and highways. I just love your assertions,that you make as if they were fact. BTW,recently there's been some heavy debate about Orlando's creation of bike lanes and a proposed law to require cyclists to use them,and how cyclists first demanded bike lanes and now don't want them. There's even a cyclist on the transportation planning board,a Mighk Wilson,IIRC. Orlando(and Florida in general) is a pretty dangerous place for cyclists. It's not going to get any better,either... -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |