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From: D Walford on 9 May 2010 00:18
On 9/05/2010 1:42 PM, John_H wrote:

> The engine is a 12 y.o. Iveco diesel and there's absolutely no reason
> why any modern car couldn't incorporate exactly the same level of
> protection if the manufacturers chose to do it.
>
Engine protection systems have been used on larger diesels for a very
long time and as you say there is no reason they couldn't be used on
computer equipped cars except it might affect spare sales which are
quite lucrative.


Daryl
From: Albm&ctd on 9 May 2010 01:57
In article <4be5f527$0$27847$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
dwalford(a)internode.on.net says...
> On 8/05/2010 9:21 PM, Doug Jewell wrote:
>
> > Quizzing her later, she mentioned that she saw the battery light come on
> > at the bottom of the hill, but since the car was still going she thought
> > it didn't matter. I'd hazard a guess the temp gauge went off the scale
> > too but didn't get noticed. *swearing under breath*
> >
> >
> To add to that it was very likely making a lot noise a long time before
> it failed completely which was also ignored.
> Hope she enjoys walking.
>
Had a cam belt tensioner lock without warning on our '74 Honda Civic (about 6
years old at the time), no prior noises, so maybe not.

Al
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From: John_H on 9 May 2010 03:19
D Walford wrote:
>On 9/05/2010 1:42 PM, John_H wrote:
>
>> The engine is a 12 y.o. Iveco diesel and there's absolutely no reason
>> why any modern car couldn't incorporate exactly the same level of
>> protection if the manufacturers chose to do it.
>>
>Engine protection systems have been used on larger diesels for a very
>long time and as you say there is no reason they couldn't be used on
>computer equipped cars except it might affect spare sales which are
>quite lucrative.

Murphy switch gauges have been around for as long as I remember, and
have saved many a large diesel from destruction. Catch is they cost
around $300 a pop as an aftermarket accessory although there's no
reason why they can't be fitted to any engine to monitor temperature
and oil pressure and to shut down the engine before it shits itself
(for those who don't bother to look at the gauges before they trip).

Simple but effective mechanisms have also been around for just as as
long. I can recall Deutz (air cooled) diesels having a switch on the
belt tensioner that triggered an alarm buzzer if the fan belt broke.

Modern heavy diesels have similar management systems to cars, except
they're intentionally set up to be somewhat more operator friendly as
well as to safeguard against component failures that aren't restricted
merely to safety and emission related items. If a car can beep and
bong because you haven't done up your seat belt it could just as
easily be programmed to give a similar warning of fan belt breakage,
overheating, loss of oil pressure, plus a host of other faults likely
to lead to more serious failures.

--
John H
From: Milton on 9 May 2010 03:44

"Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message
news:MdudnVJZKs-j1HjWnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...


>
> Quizzing her later, she mentioned that she saw the battery light come on
> at the bottom of the hill, but since the car was still going she thought
> it didn't matter. I'd hazard a guess the temp gauge went off the scale too
> but didn't get noticed. *swearing under breath*

This is probably why later model Commodes installed an engine cutout at
certain high temp before any damage is done. As well they also have
installed a beeper that beeps just before the engine cuts out. Something
that could and should have been done even before the VS series.
Don't be too hard on your missus, most women and indeed some guys would keep
driving too.

Regards

Milton

From: Jason James on 9 May 2010 17:17

"Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message
news:GcKdnQaifY3bsXvWnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
> Jason James wrote:
>> "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message
>> news:MdudnVJZKs-j1HjWnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
>>> Yesterday I got a call at work from the missus about the VS commodore.
>>
>> [. . .]
>>
>> Not wishing to be the devil's advocate,...buuut, didnt you hear the race
>> getting all noisy? They dont just suddenly fly apart without plenty of
>> noise first?
> I haven't driven the car for about 2 weeks, which was a couple of thousand
> k's.

Oh ooh,..too big a time and distance ! :-)

I'm sure it would've made a horrid
> noise too, especially when it was in it's death throes, but the last time
> I drove it, it was nice and quiet.

I like the VR/VS 'dores. They have a good power to weight, economy and a
very responsive engine,..tho some say that is because they have a low 1st
and 2nd gear.

Actually
> I'm always amazed by how quiet this car is, even with the bonnet up. When
> the fan is turned off that is. Once the fan goes on, the thing sounds like
> a 747.

The king for fan noise, is the Falcon EA, and possibly EB. The viscous fan
coupling has the fan roaring like an office tower condenser-fan.

Jason


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