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From: Jason James on 9 May 2010 17:26 "John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message news:t58cu5d2bgtdatjmlbtdblmf143q9ldlih(a)4ax.com... > Jason James wrote: >> >>Not wishing to be the devil's advocate,...buuut, didnt you hear the race >>getting all noisy? They dont just suddenly fly apart without plenty of >>noise >>first? > > A few days ago I climbed out of a tractor cab to be greeted by the > sound of a squealing serpentine belt (the same sort modern cars use). > > You can be lucky sometimes... the bearing in the cast iron tensioner > pulley must've seized when I cut the throttle back to idle after I'd > pulled up, because the pulley was still almost cool enought to touch > and the belt good enough to reuse. There were no prior warning sounds > whatsoever, though I'd imagine the bearing would've felt rough had I > checked it at the last service (which I hadn't). As the race is only lubricated for the friction between the balls and cage, I guess most failures are due to the cage falling apart or, the case-hardening is too thin in the track? > > Here's what would've happened otherwise.... > > The belt probably would've started smoking a minute or so after the > bearing failed. If I didn't see the smoke, or smell the burning > rubber, the belt would've also failed and there'd be an alternator > warning light as well as a flashing fault code on the dash display. > The air conditioner would cease cooling and the cab temperature would > rise at an even quicker rate than the engine coolant in the absence of > the fan and water pump. > > When the engine temperature rises (or the oil pressure drops) it's > supposed to set off an alarm and a red button flashes. If you don't > push the red button the engine shuts down automatically after a few > seconds. If you push the red button it extends the running time to > thirty seconds, which is meant to be sufficient to get off the highway > (if that's where you happen to be at the time). Nice engineering. > The engine is a 12 y.o. Iveco diesel and there's absolutely no reason > why any modern car couldn't incorporate exactly the same level of > protection if the manufacturers chose to do it. Its one of those things which never ceases to amaze. Why dont they build in a few dollars of design, even if its a simple LARGE warning light,..anything better than the pissy set-up most cars have now. Jason
From: Neil Fisher on 10 May 2010 01:04 On Sun, 09 May 2010 11:54:28 +1000, D Walford <dwalford(a)internode.on.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote: >LOL, not too many women have a clue about cars. >Before we could afford decent cars my wife was taught to keep an eye on >gauges and warning lights and about the dire consequences of ignoring >them but after driving near new cars for the last 10yrs I suspect her >training has worn off, the new Forester doesn't even have a temp gauge, >it has a blue light which is on when the engine is cold, no light when >the temp is normal or a red light if its too hot. Checked the Focus when we had it, and the temp gauge is somewhat non-linear - it read rock-steady at half way on the gauge from about 75 all the way to 100 or so of water temp at the "radiator cap" (which is actually at the over-flow bottle). I wonder how closely that resembles the actual coolant temp at the thermostat, and if the answer is "closely", then I also wonder how many cars are made the same way - which appears to be that the gauge is really only the same as a light anyway. Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au
From: John McKenzie on 10 May 2010 03:06 Athol wrote: > > LPG fuel systems have a coolant loss/flow cutout built in... If the > coolant flow through the convertor stops, it freezes up and stops > fuel flow, thus shutting the engine down. :-) I got stuck on a freeway off ramp on a 44 deg day, and proved that if there's enough underbonnet heat, that's not necessarily the case. -- John McKenzie tosspam(a)aol.com abuse(a)yahoo.com abuse(a)hotmail.com abuse(a)earthlink.com abuse(a)aol.com vice.president(a)whitehouse.gov president(a)whitehouse.gov sweep.day(a)accc.gov.au uce(a)ftc.gov admin(a)loopback abuse(a)iprimus.com.au $LOGIN(a)localhost I knew Sanchez before they were dirty root(a)mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME(a)localhost -h1024(a)localhost abuse(a)msn.com abuse(a)federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo(a)psinet.com abuse(a)asio.gov.au $USER(a)localhost abuse(a)sprint.com abuse(a)fbi.gov abuse(a)cia.gov
From: D Walford on 10 May 2010 06:35 On 9/05/2010 5:19 PM, John_H wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 9/05/2010 1:42 PM, John_H wrote: >> >>> The engine is a 12 y.o. Iveco diesel and there's absolutely no reason >>> why any modern car couldn't incorporate exactly the same level of >>> protection if the manufacturers chose to do it. >>> >> Engine protection systems have been used on larger diesels for a very >> long time and as you say there is no reason they couldn't be used on >> computer equipped cars except it might affect spare sales which are >> quite lucrative. > > Murphy switch gauges have been around for as long as I remember, and > have saved many a large diesel from destruction. Catch is they cost > around $300 a pop as an aftermarket accessory although there's no > reason why they can't be fitted to any engine to monitor temperature > and oil pressure and to shut down the engine before it shits itself > (for those who don't bother to look at the gauges before they trip). > > Simple but effective mechanisms have also been around for just as as > long. I can recall Deutz (air cooled) diesels having a switch on the > belt tensioner that triggered an alarm buzzer if the fan belt broke. > > Modern heavy diesels have similar management systems to cars, except > they're intentionally set up to be somewhat more operator friendly as > well as to safeguard against component failures that aren't restricted > merely to safety and emission related items. If a car can beep and > bong because you haven't done up your seat belt it could just as > easily be programmed to give a similar warning of fan belt breakage, > overheating, loss of oil pressure, plus a host of other faults likely > to lead to more serious failures. > DAF trucks have very good engine protection systems. A driver ran over a rock in a car park which holed the sump, 30mins later on a freeway he got a 30sec warning complete with an alarm and flashing red lights that the engine was about to shut down. No reason similar systems can't be used on cars. Daryl
From: D Walford on 10 May 2010 06:36 On 9/05/2010 6:58 PM, Doug Jewell wrote: > Actually, I think waterpumps should be electric instead of driven by the > fanbelt. This could have numerous benefits - speed could be set > optimally, no risk of cavitation at high engine revs, or insufficient > pumping on an idling but hot engine. Could also have the pump continue > on for a minute or two after power-off, to eliminate the hot-spots that > occur, especially if the engine is turned off just after running hard. > Could also do away with the other common fail-point, the thermostat too. > It could run at a low speed on a cold engine - just sufficient to keep a > small amount of water moving, and then as the engine heats up, the flow > rate could be increased. Available right now to suit your car, the ones I know of are made by Davies Craig. Daryl
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