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From: hls on 12 Mar 2010 12:50 "Tom Adams" <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:97244f14-8890-42c8-a163-4e1282da1e3d(a)z1g2000prc.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 12:00 pm, "hls" <h...(a)nospam.nix> wrote: > "Tom Adams" <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:d0fa3ecb-b3d3-4d75-8ec6-c8d115733477(a)p3g2000pra.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 12, 10:27 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > > > Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >It must be hard on you to see us safety nuts succeeding the way we > > >are: > > > It is, I see a lot of craziness. People who work so hard to eliminate > > risks that they inadvertently wind up making themselves hazardous. > > > The world is just a dangerous place, and you can't be completely safe > > all the time. Americans need to get realistic about it. > > --scott > > You guys spout the same drivel no matter what is happening around > you. That is true insanity. Open your eyes and respond to what is > actually happening now. > > Do you understand ESC? It's kind of a special case. I eliminates 1/3 > of fatalaties according to > the field data. > > Interestingly, ABS never panned out in the field data, it may have > not saved a single life and it may have increased fatalities in some > types of vehicles. But ESC is built on top of ABS is working great. > ********* > > I hope so. I have it, but have never noticed its influence. Maybe > that is the way it is supposed to be. On the Ford a slipping car icon lights up when ESC cuts in, but I don't know if there is a indicator like that on all cars. If you don't have to drive on ice, your ESC might never cut in. It might activate only once for a second or two and save your life. If you are a safe driver that might only happen when you have to do an avoidance maneuver. ******** We seldom drive on ice. More often we drive on very wet pavement. I suspect that I drive much more conservatively now than when I was young, and may never see the indicator light come on.
From: Tegger on 12 Mar 2010 13:06 Tom Adams <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:d0fa3ecb-b3d3-4d75-8ec6- c8d115733477(a)p3g2000pra.googlegroups.com: > > Do you understand ESC? It's kind of a special case. What ESC specifically is, is not the issue. The issue is the matter of who's life we're discussing. > I eliminates 1/3 of fatalaties according to the field data. Maybe so, but do you know who's life your trying to save? MINE. I don't want to be "saved", especially not by the likes of you. Leave me alone. Let me assume the level of risk I wish to assume. Or not. It's my life, not yours. Did you know that if you confine everybody to their homes 100% of the time, you will reduce traffic fatalities to zero? Let's start with you. -- Tegger
From: Tegger on 12 Mar 2010 13:21 "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in news:eZmdnbtjRtB68AfWnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > > A few Christmases ago, one of the primo toys on the market was the > Harry Potter Flying Broom. On the side in large and clear letters > was the notation "Broom does not really fly", I suppose to protect > children, and maybe adults, from jumping off a barn with the broom > between their legs. > > At some point, personal awareness has to become an issue. We cannot > foolproof everything. Fools have gotten so much better at their art > over the decades. > The fools have not changed. What HAS changed is who is made to be responsible for the fools. And that change was effected by Congresses and signed into law by presidents. In years past, when the fool was responsible for his own foolishness, those that provided the fool with paraphernalia of any kind could rest assured that one fool out of thousands of users could not damage the provider of that paraphernalia. But, for about the last two-and-a-half decades, the fool has been no longer responsible for himself; the provider is now responsible for him. The providers (staffed by the fools themselves) must now take extraordinary measures to protect themselves from those fools who use state power to attack them. Thus a coffee cup that comes with the moronic warning, "Caution! May be hot!"; thus a toy-broom sticker that says, "does not actually fly"; thus a commercial showing a motionless car parked in a fast-food parking lot, with the occupants wearing their seat belts; thus an alcolic beverage container which warns that the substance within can cause the consumer to get drunk; thus a car commercial showing a car traveling at 20mph, and the warning, "Professional driver, do not attempt"; thus the disappearance of diving boards from swimming pools. And so it goes... -- Tegger
From: Tom Adams on 12 Mar 2010 13:33 On Mar 12, 1:21 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > "hls" <h...(a)nospam.nix> wrote innews:eZmdnbtjRtB68AfWnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > > > > > A few Christmases ago, one of the primo toys on the market was the > > Harry Potter Flying Broom. On the side in large and clear letters > > was the notation "Broom does not really fly", I suppose to protect > > children, and maybe adults, from jumping off a barn with the broom > > between their legs. > > > At some point, personal awareness has to become an issue. We cannot > > foolproof everything. Fools have gotten so much better at their art > > over the decades. > > The fools have not changed. What HAS changed is who is made to be > responsible for the fools. And that change was effected by Congresses and > signed into law by presidents. > > In years past, when the fool was responsible for his own foolishness, those > that provided the fool with paraphernalia of any kind could rest assured > that one fool out of thousands of users could not damage the provider of > that paraphernalia. > > But, for about the last two-and-a-half decades, the fool has been no longer > responsible for himself; the provider is now responsible for him. The > providers (staffed by the fools themselves) must now take extraordinary > measures to protect themselves from those fools who use state power to > attack them. > > Thus a coffee cup that comes with the moronic warning, "Caution! May be > hot!"; > thus a toy-broom sticker that says, "does not actually fly"; > thus a commercial showing a motionless car parked in a fast-food parking > lot, with the occupants wearing their seat belts; > thus an alcolic beverage container which warns that the substance within > can cause the consumer to get drunk; > thus a car commercial showing a car traveling at 20mph, and the warning, > "Professional driver, do not attempt"; > thus the disappearance of diving boards from swimming pools. > And so it goes... > > -- > Tegger BTW, ESC allows a typcial driver to execute an avoidance manuever about on par with a professional race car driver. No amount of driving skill allow a driver to differentially brake individual tires. That requires a skill that you Tegger obviously lack, the skill to pick the right features on the car you drive.
From: Tegger on 12 Mar 2010 13:41
Tom Adams <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:16ec30bc-fbf7-4d43-a7da-22317f245d8f(a)a16g2000pre.googlegroups.com: > > BTW, ESC allows a typcial driver to execute an avoidance manuever > about on par with a professional race car driver. I don't doubt that one bit. > > No amount of driving skill allow a driver to differentially brake > individual tires. That requires a skill that you Tegger obviously > lack, the skill to pick the right features on the car you drive. > Hey, you want the latest gadget-du-jour on your car? Go ahead. You have my assurance that I will not interfere with your desire to equip your car the way you see fit. I just hope you're willing to treat me likewise. -- Tegger |