From: Scott Dorsey on
Tom Adams <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>It must be hard on you to see us safety nuts succeeding the way we
>are:

It is, I see a lot of craziness. People who work so hard to eliminate
risks that they inadvertently wind up making themselves hazardous.

The world is just a dangerous place, and you can't be completely safe
all the time. Americans need to get realistic about it.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Tom Adams on
On Mar 12, 10:27 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Tom Adams  <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >It must be hard on you to see us safety nuts succeeding the way we
> >are:
>
> It is, I see a lot of craziness.  People who work so hard to eliminate
> risks that they inadvertently wind up making themselves hazardous.
>
> The world is just a dangerous place, and you can't be completely safe
> all the time.  Americans need to get realistic about it.
> --scott
>

You guys spout the same drivel no matter what is happening around
you. That is true insanity. Open your eyes and respond to what is
actually happening now.

Do you understand ESC? It's kind of a special case. I eliminates 1/3
of fatalaties according to
the field data.

Interestingly, ABS never panned out in the field data, it may have
not saved a single life and it may have increased fatalities in some
types of vehicles. But ESC is built on top of ABS is working great.

From: hls on

"Tom Adams" <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d0fa3ecb-b3d3-4d75-8ec6-c8d115733477(a)p3g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 12, 10:27 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >It must be hard on you to see us safety nuts succeeding the way we
> >are:
>
> It is, I see a lot of craziness. People who work so hard to eliminate
> risks that they inadvertently wind up making themselves hazardous.
>
> The world is just a dangerous place, and you can't be completely safe
> all the time. Americans need to get realistic about it.
> --scott
>

You guys spout the same drivel no matter what is happening around
you. That is true insanity. Open your eyes and respond to what is
actually happening now.

Do you understand ESC? It's kind of a special case. I eliminates 1/3
of fatalaties according to
the field data.

Interestingly, ABS never panned out in the field data, it may have
not saved a single life and it may have increased fatalities in some
types of vehicles. But ESC is built on top of ABS is working great.
*********

I hope so. I have it, but have never noticed its influence. Maybe
that is the way it is supposed to be.

From: Tom Adams on
On Mar 12, 12:00 pm, "hls" <h...(a)nospam.nix> wrote:
> "Tom Adams" <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d0fa3ecb-b3d3-4d75-8ec6-c8d115733477(a)p3g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 12, 10:27 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
> > Tom Adams <tadams...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >It must be hard on you to see us safety nuts succeeding the way we
> > >are:
>
> > It is, I see a lot of craziness. People who work so hard to eliminate
> > risks that they inadvertently wind up making themselves hazardous.
>
> > The world is just a dangerous place, and you can't be completely safe
> > all the time. Americans need to get realistic about it.
> > --scott
>
> You guys spout the same drivel no matter what is happening around
> you.  That is true insanity.  Open your eyes and respond to what is
> actually happening now.
>
> Do you understand ESC?  It's kind of a special case.  I eliminates 1/3
> of fatalaties according to
> the field data.
>
> Interestingly,  ABS never panned out in the field data, it may have
> not saved a single life and it may have increased fatalities in some
> types of vehicles.  But ESC is built on top of ABS is working great.
> *********
>
> I hope so.  I have it, but have never noticed its influence.  Maybe
> that is the way it is supposed to be.

On the Ford a slipping car icon lights up when ESC cuts in, but I
don't
know if there is a indicator like that on all cars.

If you don't have to drive on ice, your ESC might never cut in. It
might activate only once
for a second or two and save your life. If you are a safe driver that
might only happen when
you have to do an avoidance maneuver.
From: hls on

"Tom Adams" <tadamsmar(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:74687670-

I am sure that they put that on the broom to try to protect themselves
from liability.
*****
Surely. It is unlikely that many deceptive trade practice cases would
be filed when the buyer found out that the broom didnt really fly.

But this is simply a paper trail CYA tactic.
It does little or nothing to improve safety.