Lack of arm signals
in [UK Drivers]
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From: DavidR on 28 Nov 2009 19:03 "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote > DavidR explained : >> That's because you're making the common mistake of calling them *hand* >> signals. Look at the video and the picture I linked again. They are >> supposed to be *arm* signals - movement from the shoulder, not camp wrist >> movements. > > They were always called 'hand signals' as in manual - SFAIAA. As said I > have never found a vehicle which I have driven, managed to prevent me > putting my arm out. Have another look at the video and my picture. Here is the picture again. http://www.david.eazyrider.co.uk/public/camera/101_0092.JPG On the previous page to this it states "Signals by drivers should be given with the arm extended from the side of the vehicle at least as far as the elbow". If I remain upright in the seat and extend my arm, my elbow remains inside the car. Even if I lean across to get my elbow out the door is too high to drop my arm below the horizontal. Yes, it is physically impossible to perform officially recognised arm signals.
From: Bod on 29 Nov 2009 04:27 DavidR wrote: > "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote >> DavidR laid this down on his screen : >>> The video highlighted in another thread about the London to Bath trip >>> shows >>> a few examples of arm signals in action. They would be physically >>> impossible >>> to do properly in my car, as I suspect in most cars now. >> Why? >> >> I'm guessing you mean the driving seat is too low/ the window opening too >> high, as I cannot think of any other physical reason. > > Yes, that's right. > >> I have never come across one where was completely prevented from giving a >> hand signal. > > That's because you're making the common mistake of calling them *hand* > signals. Look at the video and the picture I linked again. They are supposed > to be *arm* signals - movement from the shoulder, not camp wrist movements. > > This thread is entitled "Lack of Arm Signals", I'm sure Harry knows that. You're just being pedantic. Bod
From: Harry Bloomfield on 29 Nov 2009 11:59 DavidR formulated the question : > "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote >> DavidR explained : >>> That's because you're making the common mistake of calling them *hand* >>> signals. Look at the video and the picture I linked again. They are >>> supposed to be *arm* signals - movement from the shoulder, not camp wrist >>> movements. >> >> They were always called 'hand signals' as in manual - SFAIAA. As said I >> have never found a vehicle which I have driven, managed to prevent me >> putting my arm out. > > Have another look at the video and my picture. Here is the picture again. > http://www.david.eazyrider.co.uk/public/camera/101_0092.JPG > On the previous page to this it states "Signals by drivers should be given > with the arm extended from the side of the vehicle at least as far as the > elbow". > > If I remain upright in the seat and extend my arm, my elbow remains inside > the car. Even if I lean across to get my elbow out the door is too high to > drop my arm below the horizontal. Yes, it is physically impossible to perform > officially recognised arm signals. However a Girl Guide's book is hardly proof of anything. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: DavidR on 30 Nov 2009 18:01
"Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote > DavidR formulated the question : >> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote >>> DavidR explained : >>>> That's because you're making the common mistake of calling them *hand* >>>> signals. Look at the video and the picture I linked again. They are >>>> supposed to be *arm* signals - movement from the shoulder, not camp >>>> wrist movements. >>> >>> They were always called 'hand signals' as in manual - SFAIAA. As said I >>> have never found a vehicle which I have driven, managed to prevent me >>> putting my arm out. >> >> Have another look at the video and my picture. Here is the picture >> again. >> http://www.david.eazyrider.co.uk/public/camera/101_0092.JPG >> On the previous page to this it states "Signals by drivers should be >> given with the arm extended from the side of the vehicle at least as far >> as the elbow". >> >> If I remain upright in the seat and extend my arm, my elbow remains >> inside the car. Even if I lean across to get my elbow out the door is too >> high to drop my arm below the horizontal. Yes, it is physically >> impossible to perform officially recognised arm signals. > > However a Girl Guide's book is hardly proof of anything. If you go back in the thread you will find that I have already said that it is a reprint of the 1942 Highway Code. In an earlier page it states "The following Highway Code has been taken from the official <The Highway Code>, issued by the Minister of Transport, and the permission of the Controller of H.M. Stationery Office has been obtained"..."This code is issued with the Authority of Parliament (resolution passed May, 1935)" So there. |