From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:04:20 -0000, "MrBitsy" <noone(a)ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>The young girl got on the phone and I heard her say 'come and help me as a
>lorry just tried to squash me'. I could contain myself no longer. I said
>the accident was her own fault as she placed her car in a dangerous
>position. Her answer was to say, 'I am not a lorry driver, how am I
>supposed to know the trailer was going to hit me?'.

Well, theres the central point, girl who didnt have toy trucks as a
child doesnt know lorries swing out. doesnt make her stupid. Youre the
expert, what does the HC say on this?

For cyclists 73

Pay particular attention to long vehicles which need a lot of room to
manoeuvre at corners. Be aware that drivers may not see you. They may
have to move over to the right before turning left. Wait until they
have completed the manoeuvre because the rear wheels come very close
to the kerb while turning. Do not be tempted to ride in the space
between them and the kerb.

is there anything for cars on same lines? Google will show you dozens
of examples of cyclists killed by ignoring the above, I even knew one
personally. Some lorries now have warning plates.

>She followed that by
>saying, 'I have never been around this roundabout before, so I didn't
>realise it was a place where lorry drivers regularly hit cars. If I had
>known, I would have taken more care'.

didnt take much care then! But thats just a post accident "mouth off".

She effectively caused the accident by silly positioning, but does the
law say anything about giving trucks space on roundabouts? I'm pretty
sure the HC mentions lorries need space when turning but couldnt find
it addressed to drivers in a seperate lane? Of course the truck shoud
have spotted it too, so a 50/50.

Only last night I came to stop and waited in L2 at a roundabout
because a truck was in L1 and I thought he might need the space, car
behind hooted. <shrug>
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Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Vicko Zoomba
<vicko_zoomba(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>I guess it comes
>from the last decade of L drivers being taught to pass a test rather
>than being taught to drive.

how about everybody having to try out all modes of vehicle as part of
training instead of the written test. Pedestrian to HGV (obviously on
test track) Of course some people cannot ride a bike or be expected to
control a motor bike. Maybe giant rubber HGVs :-)
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Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Adrian on
ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>The young girl got on the phone and I heard her say 'come and help me as
>>a lorry just tried to squash me'. I could contain myself no longer. I
>>said the accident was her own fault as she placed her car in a dangerous
>>position. Her answer was to say, 'I am not a lorry driver, how am I
>>supposed to know the trailer was going to hit me?'.

> Well, theres the central point, girl who didnt have toy trucks as a
> child doesnt know lorries swing out. doesnt make her stupid.

It certainly makes her blindingly unobservant.

> Youre the expert, what does the HC say on this?

> is there anything for cars on same lines?

Try rule 221.

> She effectively caused the accident by silly positioning, but does the
> law say anything about giving trucks space on roundabouts?

Try the last clause of rule 187
From: Ray Keattch on
ChelseaTractorMan wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Vicko Zoomba
> <vicko_zoomba(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess it comes
>>from the last decade of L drivers being taught to pass a test rather
>> than being taught to drive.
>
> how about everybody having to try out all modes of vehicle as part of
> training instead of the written test. Pedestrian to HGV (obviously on
> test track) Of course some people cannot ride a bike or be expected to
> control a motor bike. Maybe giant rubber HGVs :-)

No need to drive all types of vehicle. Just read your other reply in
the HC - it is quite clear about lorries. One would hope drivers had
the two brain cells required to work out lorries cut corners while turning.

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MrBitsy
From: ChelseaTractorMan on
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:36:16 +0000, Ray Keattch
<r.keattch5050(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

>One would hope drivers had
>the two brain cells required to work out lorries cut corners while turning.

can you see the flaw in your argument?
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Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.