From: Ret. on 17 Mar 2010 12:38 Bod wrote: > I personally think the limit that we have now is strict enough. > Any lower and a lot of restaurants/pubs etc will all be closing en > masse, this due to diners being terrified at having even just one > glass of wine > with a meal. > > Most folk I know (including me) will only risk having one pint or 1 > glass of wine, as it stands now. > > Opinions? > > > http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100317/tuk-lower-drink-drive-limit-supported-6323e80.html Yes - I agree with you Bod. The present law has, on the whole, been a resounding success in deterring the vast majority of drivers from drinking to excess and driving. It does, however, as you point out, permit drivers to still have a social drink, or a drink with a meal, without having to worry about blowing positive. I, like you, may have a single glass of wine, or a pint, when I know I will be driving. Such a small amount will (for most people anyway) have no effect at all upon their ability to drive. Changing the law will not deter those who already ignore the existing law - but it will undoubtedly lead to a lot of people deciding not to drink at all when they are about to drive - and I cannot really see the advantage or the point of that. Kev
From: Mr Pounder on 17 Mar 2010 16:10 "Bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:80bmdcFoe0U1(a)mid.individual.net... > On 17/03/2010 09:38, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:22:09 +0000, Bod<bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> I personally think the limit that we have now is strict enough. >> >> lower limits just catch people the morning after, not drunks. >> What you need is good enforcement of sensible limits. > > > > > > Agreed. > > Bod Hic! Mr Pounder
From: Silk on 18 Mar 2010 12:49 On 17/03/2010 09:22, Bod wrote: > I personally think the limit that we have now is strict enough. > Any lower and a lot of restaurants/pubs etc will all be closing en > masse, this due to diners being terrified at having even just one glass > of wine > with a meal. > > Most folk I know (including me) will only risk having one pint or 1 > glass of wine, as it stands now. > > Opinions? Well, I never drink at all when I'm likely to be driving as I can't afford to take any risks due to needing my licence for my job and normally I'd say zero would be a better limit as there would be no confusion as to what you can drink and stay under the limit - if you intend to drink, leave the car at home, simple - but, as others have said, you have to have some kind of limit to allow for the morning after and for some people who are probably ok having a small drink with a meal.
From: Silk on 18 Mar 2010 12:53 On 17/03/2010 10:52, Mr Benn wrote: > "ChelseaTractorMan"<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:kn81q5h7tk3rh0ifitt5uc4kvlfl0t3dfp(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:22:09 +0000, Bod<bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> I personally think the limit that we have now is strict enough. >> >> lower limits just catch people the morning after, not drunks. >> What you need is good enforcement of sensible limits. > > The morning after is the time when alcohol concentration in the blood is > falling. Apparently you are less impaired when this is happening. I'm very skeptical about the morning after thing. I doubt very much that anyone is seriously impaired as long as they've had a decent night's sleep, although I can't see how anyone can be at their best with a hangover.
From: Bod on 18 Mar 2010 12:56
On 18/03/2010 16:49, Silk wrote: > On 17/03/2010 09:22, Bod wrote: >> I personally think the limit that we have now is strict enough. >> Any lower and a lot of restaurants/pubs etc will all be closing en >> masse, this due to diners being terrified at having even just one glass >> of wine >> with a meal. >> >> Most folk I know (including me) will only risk having one pint or 1 >> glass of wine, as it stands now. >> >> Opinions? > > Well, I never drink at all when I'm likely to be driving as I can't > afford to take any risks due to needing my licence for my job and > normally I'd say zero would be a better limit as there would be no > confusion as to what you can drink and stay under the limit - if you > intend to drink, leave the car at home, simple - but, as others have > said, you have to have some kind of limit to allow for the morning after > and for some people who are probably ok having a small drink with a meal. > > Yes, but if the limit is reduced, then it will put any diner who has just one glass of wine with a meal, liable to be over the limit, which is silly and unfair. Folk will be put off going out for a meal and consequently we will see a spate of restaurants going out of business. Also, if someone has had a reasonably good drink the night before (say, 4-5 pints), they stand every chance of failing the breath test on their way to work the next morning. Bod |