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From: mileburner on 2 Jul 2010 07:01 Mike P wrote: > > You're on dangerous ground now. I suggest you stop. I would suggest you ignore it.
From: Adrian on 2 Jul 2010 08:47 Mike W. Pearson <mikewpearson(a)mailbox.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Killfiling is for wimps. Like they say, if you can't stand the heat, > stay out of the kitchen. Can we just take the next two days of "No, you are" as read and skip straight to the death threat? Ta.
From: Mike P on 2 Jul 2010 09:32 On Jul 2, 1:47 pm, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mike W. Pearson <mikewpear...(a)mailbox.net> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: > > > Killfiling is for wimps. Like they say, if you can't stand the heat, > > stay out of the kitchen. > > Can we just take the next two days of "No, you are" as read and skip > straight to the death threat? Ta. Oh, I was waiting for that one myself. I don't do threats, it's awfully childish don't ya think? Mike P
From: ARWadsworth on 2 Jul 2010 17:35 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1jkv68a.mfoj3w12lwicsN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... > ARWadsworth <adamwadsworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> I've done the M42 somewhere between 95 and 100mph through the variable >> speed >> limit section. Usually at about 4.30am. > > If that was "95" on your speedo then you were probably doing closer to > 85, on some cars/vans it could have been as low as 83. > > However the fact that the speed cameras are set at high limits does not > mean that they are not there. Brimstone was making a blanket statement > that was entirely fallacious. > > The M4 camera vans are rather notorious. And they don't permit a > generous margin. I have perviously checked my speedo against the sat nav. When my speedo says 90mph the sat nav says 88mph. I usually keep the speedo reading at just under 100mph where possible. I came back from Kent yesterday via the M11, A14 and A1. Never again, next time it will be the M1 and M18. No specs cameras on that route. Adam
From: Phil Bradby on 3 Jul 2010 08:10
Ret. wrote: > My POV on speeding is as follows: > > 1. Are speed limits necessary? Yes they are. Without speed limits we > would have a huge increase in dangerous speeding in inappropriate areas. Do you have any evidence for this? Imagine a narrow suburban street with cars parked both sides and lots of pedestrians milling around a short row of shops along the road. Are you claiming that a formal 30mph limit is the principal thing preventing a "huge increase" in people doing 50 or 70 or 90 along such a street? I call bullshit. The simple fact is that most drivers simply ignore all speed limits unless there is a particular reason to take heed of them (principally, speed cameras). They choose a speed that seems appropriate to them based on the conditions at the time. Stop a random driver on a random suburban road and ask him what the current speed limit is. How many will actually know? And they're pretty good at judging a safe speed: famously, the 85th percentile speed (i.e. the speed that 85% of drivers choose to drive at or below - nothing to do with formal speed limits, high or low) minimizes accidents. > 2. If speed limits are necessary - then they must be enforced - because > unenforced speed limits will soon be ignored and might as well not be > there. There's a whole other world there outside the big cities, Kev, where speed limits are essentially never enforced. In rural villages the 30 limit is indeed almost universally ignored, but nonetheless a huge majority of cars slow significantly (say to 40ish) when travelling through villages. If the streets are very narrow or there are lots of pedestrians or other hazards, speeds are much lower than if there are a few houses either side of the road. At night, when there are few or no pedestrians, speeds are much higher than at chucking out time from school. This is nothing to do with posted limits or enforcement, and everything to do with the fact that drivers are judging an appropriate speed for themselves. > Speed limits are there to deter drivers from travelling at dangerous > speeds. That may have been true forty years ago. Today speed limits are frequently there for politically correct reasons, because some busybody local councillor has managed to push her propaganda against the best advice of the police and traffic engineers (and above all, against about the only conclusive evidence in this area, which is the 85th percentile rule). |