Mark Scaife calls for 140km/h limit on VIC freeways
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From: D Walford on 15 Jun 2010 18:42 On 16/06/2010 6:32 AM, Feral wrote: > Nah. What they have to do, they have to do and I don't see that as > wasted resources. Sometimes what they are *made* to do might fit that > category of waste. More resources (human and camera) IMO is what is > really required. ;-) As is said on this site, camera's free up bodies > for other duties. > >> http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/ccc/CCC/Home/Cameras/Camera+Myths/ >> That whole site is a myth:-) Nothing there changes the fact that too much of Police time is spent doing things other than patrolling the streets being pro active. I'm not saying that that is the fault of the Police themselves but bureaucracy gone mad, it would be just as easy to change the regulations that require them to spend so much time doing paperwork as it was to implement those same regulations. We have enough Police but they aren't as effective as they should be because they spend too much time behind a desk. Politics has a lot to do with it, the Opposition squeal if the Govt employs more public servants whilst at the same time complaining we don't have enough Police on the streets. Daryl
From: Feral on 15 Jun 2010 20:08 D Walford wrote: > On 16/06/2010 6:32 AM, Feral wrote: > >> Nah. What they have to do, they have to do and I don't see that as >> wasted resources. Sometimes what they are *made* to do might fit that >> category of waste. More resources (human and camera) IMO is what is >> really required. ;-) As is said on this site, camera's free up bodies >> for other duties. >> >>> http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/ccc/CCC/Home/Cameras/Camera+Myths/ >>> >>> > > That whole site is a myth:-) Ya know, I had this sneaking suspicion .... ;-) > Nothing there changes the fact that too much of Police time is spent > doing things other than patrolling the streets being pro active. > I'm not saying that that is the fault of the Police themselves but > bureaucracy gone mad, it would be just as easy to change the regulations > that require them to spend so much time doing paperwork as it was to > implement those same regulations. > We have enough Police but they aren't as effective as they should be > because they spend too much time behind a desk. > Politics has a lot to do with it, the Opposition squeal if the Govt > employs more public servants whilst at the same time complaining we > don't have enough Police on the streets. > > > Daryl -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 20:25 D Walford wrote: >On 15/06/2010 8:07 PM, John_H wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >>> >>> Since most of the enforcement done in Vic is by cameras it would take a >>> lot of extra traffic police on the roads to have any effect. >>> I actually saw a cop car today, I had to look twice because its been a >>> while since I've seen one. >> >> By way of contrast, Qld roads now have a massive police presence >> (marked and unmarked) almost entirely dedicated to curbing the demon >> speed. They're also pretty effective, in that on most major roads you >> can now sit on the speed tolerance all day and very rarely be >> overtaken. When you are it's not usually by much. >> >> Proving that attitude adjustment works, but only as far as it goes. > >Sounds like a good thing, seeing a cop car makes even the worst behave >at least while the cop is in sight. Nope, it only discourages them from speeding. A favourite cop trick is to tailgate a truck so they can't be spotted by oncoming speeders, when what they really ought be doing is nabbing tailgaters (along with a few others, and especially the road ragers). With the relevant question being... why hasn't the road toll been reduced significantly as a result of the vastly improved compliance with speed limits resulting from rigorous policing? -- John H
From: PHATRS on 15 Jun 2010 20:33 On 14/06/10 10:37, Toby wrote: > You don't need PTFE, or even common-or-garden oil for that matter - at 140 > Km/Hr, IMO most light cars WILL aquaplane if the drainage characteristics > of the road aren't up to the jobbie. > ie, if water pools to any significant degree, all bets are off. > And you know damm well whatever stupid arbitrary limit gets plastered up on > a piece of track the fuckwits out there WILL decide that's the speed for > them, no matter what. > I noticably lose grip above 110 when it is raining moderately, on the Monash.
From: PHATRS on 15 Jun 2010 20:37
On 14/06/10 11:59, D Walford wrote: > IMO the issue of poor lane discipline needs to be addressed before the > limits could be safely increased. Not just poor lane discipline - people need to actually look in the mirrors and judge the speed of other vehicles before changing lanes. Many a time I've been doing the speed limit in the right lane, been approaching the blind spot of a slower car in the left lane, and they just move in front of me causing me to brake moderately to avoid hitting them. It's obvious to me that they just look to see if there's a car in the gap they want, and if not they move into it. The government and police have been telling so many for so long that you need to slow down, that they think that is all they need to do to drive safely. And the effect is we have idiots deliberately driving 20kph under the limit on our freeways causing massive congestion that just shouldnt be there. Ben |