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From: PHATRS on 15 Jun 2010 20:40 On 14/06/10 12:41, st3ph3nm wrote: > I > can't get over how many people just sit in the middle lane of three > doing 10 or 14 km/h below the speed limit. > > Cheers, > Steve > Well, how accurate is your speedo, and theirs? I've checked mine, so I drive AT 100kph. The middle lanes of the Monash freeway is full of drivers doing 95 or even 90. The 90 kph'ers probably have 95 kph on their speedo, and have "WIPED OFF FIVE" coz the govt told them to. Ben
From: Toby on 15 Jun 2010 20:40 On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:25:12 +1000, John_H wrote: > D Walford wrote: >>On 15/06/2010 8:07 PM, John_H wrote: >>> D Walford wrote: >>>> >>>> Since most of the enforcement done in Vic is by cameras it would take a >>>> lot of extra traffic police on the roads to have any effect. >>>> I actually saw a cop car today, I had to look twice because its been a >>>> while since I've seen one. >>> >>> By way of contrast, Qld roads now have a massive police presence >>> (marked and unmarked) almost entirely dedicated to curbing the demon >>> speed. They're also pretty effective, in that on most major roads you >>> can now sit on the speed tolerance all day and very rarely be >>> overtaken. When you are it's not usually by much. >>> >>> Proving that attitude adjustment works, but only as far as it goes. >> >>Sounds like a good thing, seeing a cop car makes even the worst behave >>at least while the cop is in sight. > > Nope, it only discourages them from speeding. > > A favourite cop trick is to tailgate a truck so they can't be spotted > by oncoming speeders, when what they really ought be doing is nabbing > tailgaters (along with a few others, and especially the road ragers). > > With the relevant question being... why hasn't the road toll been > reduced significantly as a result of the vastly improved compliance > with speed limits resulting from rigorous policing? Well - get right to it - get out there and fine/convict the STUPIDS. That's the complete requirement. And yes most any law of the thousands out there can be used on an as required basis. After all, the laws have been enacted in the general direction of getting to the stupids, with the possible exception of the laws that are in themselves stupid, of course - like the arbitrary speed limits. -- Toby. Caveat Lector
From: Toby on 15 Jun 2010 20:50 On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:40:28 +1000, PHATRS wrote: > On 14/06/10 12:41, st3ph3nm wrote: > >> I >> can't get over how many people just sit in the middle lane of three >> doing 10 or 14 km/h below the speed limit. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve >> > > Well, how accurate is your speedo, and theirs? > > I've checked mine, so I drive AT 100kph. > > The middle lanes of the Monash freeway is full of drivers doing 95 or > even 90. The 90 kph'ers probably have 95 kph on their speedo, and have > "WIPED OFF FIVE" coz the govt told them to. > > Ben I'm thinking that the vast majority of speedos over-read by 4 to 6 Km/Hr@ actual 100Km/Hr. IIRC, speedos are permitted +4, -0 % in our market. That's what my GPS and my (over-reading) speedo tell me every day. Handy, though - 'cause I can get past annoying speed varying dickheads exhibiting (to them) much bwarvado and dewwing-do and in the process run no risk of being nailed by the pigs. Well, the honest ones, known as 'police', anyway. -- Toby The solution could not possibly be more obvious. We can no longer afford the rich. T. Hussein Mississippifarian - July 2008
From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 22:30 atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >John_H wrote: >> >> Apart from the 10% of fatal crashes and serious injuries that involve >> unlicensed drivers that is! >> >> Statistics don't say what proportion of those are under >> disqualification but a fair guess would be most of them. > Old quote " there are statistics the truth and what the statistics >tell us " Qld crash statistics have consisently show around 10% of drivers involved in serious crashes (those involving fatalities and injuries) are unlicensed. Perhaps they've been lying for years! OTOH if they're not lying which group would you assume the unlicensed drivers would predominately belong to.... 1) Those who can't be bothered coughing up the licence fee? 2) Errant school kids who aren't old enough to drive? 3) Disqualified drivers? 4) Others? My money's still on 3)! :) -- John H
From: D Walford on 15 Jun 2010 22:45
On 16/06/2010 10:25 AM, John_H wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 15/06/2010 8:07 PM, John_H wrote: >>> D Walford wrote: >>>> >>>> Since most of the enforcement done in Vic is by cameras it would take a >>>> lot of extra traffic police on the roads to have any effect. >>>> I actually saw a cop car today, I had to look twice because its been a >>>> while since I've seen one. >>> >>> By way of contrast, Qld roads now have a massive police presence >>> (marked and unmarked) almost entirely dedicated to curbing the demon >>> speed. They're also pretty effective, in that on most major roads you >>> can now sit on the speed tolerance all day and very rarely be >>> overtaken. When you are it's not usually by much. >>> >>> Proving that attitude adjustment works, but only as far as it goes. >> >> Sounds like a good thing, seeing a cop car makes even the worst behave >> at least while the cop is in sight. > > Nope, it only discourages them from speeding. It does that but whilst the cop is in view they do tend to keep left and not tailgate but of course everything returns to normal within minutes of the cop disappearing. > > A favourite cop trick is to tailgate a truck so they can't be spotted > by oncoming speeders, when what they really ought be doing is nabbing > tailgaters (along with a few others, and especially the road ragers). > I've spotted a few cops doing that behind me when I was driving trucks and they don't seem to like it when you back off by about 20kph:-) > With the relevant question being... why hasn't the road toll been > reduced significantly as a result of the vastly improved compliance > with speed limits resulting from rigorous policing? > Good question that Govt's and Police evade regularly. Vic Police must be monitoring this newsgroup and know where I live because I saw another traffic police car this morning:-) Daryl |