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From: atec7 7 ""atec77" on 15 Jun 2010 23:16 John_H wrote: > atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >> John_H wrote: >>> Apart from the 10% of fatal crashes and serious injuries that involve >>> unlicensed drivers that is! >>> >>> Statistics don't say what proportion of those are under >>> disqualification but a fair guess would be most of them. > >> Old quote " there are statistics the truth and what the statistics >> tell us " > > Qld crash statistics have consisently show around 10% of drivers > involved in serious crashes (those involving fatalities and injuries) > are unlicensed. Perhaps they've been lying for years! > > OTOH if they're not lying which group would you assume the unlicensed > drivers would predominately belong to.... > > 1) Those who can't be bothered coughing up the licence fee? > 2) Errant school kids who aren't old enough to drive? > 3) Disqualified drivers? > 4) Others? > > My money's still on 3)! :) > All I can go on is the bil's information which does not agree with your guess eg atm a lot of folk are late with rego and or other fees ( Bil is up the ladder there )
From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 23:35 atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >John_H wrote: >> atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >>> John_H wrote: >>>> Apart from the 10% of fatal crashes and serious injuries that involve >>>> unlicensed drivers that is! >>>> >>>> Statistics don't say what proportion of those are under >>>> disqualification but a fair guess would be most of them. >> >>> Old quote " there are statistics the truth and what the statistics >>> tell us " >> >> Qld crash statistics have consisently show around 10% of drivers >> involved in serious crashes (those involving fatalities and injuries) >> are unlicensed. Perhaps they've been lying for years! >> >> OTOH if they're not lying which group would you assume the unlicensed >> drivers would predominately belong to.... >> >> 1) Those who can't be bothered coughing up the licence fee? >> 2) Errant school kids who aren't old enough to drive? >> 3) Disqualified drivers? >> 4) Others? >> >> My money's still on 3)! :) >> >All I can go on is the bil's information which does not agree with your >guess > eg atm a lot of folk are late with rego and or other fees ( Bil is up >the ladder there ) Are you sure the ladder's not up the Bil? :) A Qld driver's licence is valid for five years. If he happens to think that 10% of those drivers most likely to crash are in arrears at any one time then it probably is! -- John H
From: Feral on 16 Jun 2010 00:23 John_H wrote: > And I was responding to your line, "It's unlawful, it's wrong, but > it's not hurting other road users who will never know...." That was referring *only* to the disqualified ones hiding behind sobriety and good driving. You like going around in circles? :-P > The point being that disqualified drivers are likely to be the most > dangerous drivers on the road, even when they're not pissed or > speeding!... There needs to be considerably more effort put into > eradicating them than currently is. :) Yes, yes, yes. Fark!. :-) -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: atec7 7 ""atec77" on 16 Jun 2010 01:22 John_H wrote: > atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >> John_H wrote: >>> atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >>>> John_H wrote: >>>>> Apart from the 10% of fatal crashes and serious injuries that involve >>>>> unlicensed drivers that is! >>>>> >>>>> Statistics don't say what proportion of those are under >>>>> disqualification but a fair guess would be most of them. >>> >>>> Old quote " there are statistics the truth and what the statistics >>>> tell us " >>> Qld crash statistics have consisently show around 10% of drivers >>> involved in serious crashes (those involving fatalities and injuries) >>> are unlicensed. Perhaps they've been lying for years! >>> >>> OTOH if they're not lying which group would you assume the unlicensed >>> drivers would predominately belong to.... >>> >>> 1) Those who can't be bothered coughing up the licence fee? >>> 2) Errant school kids who aren't old enough to drive? >>> 3) Disqualified drivers? >>> 4) Others? >>> >>> My money's still on 3)! :) >>> >> All I can go on is the bil's information which does not agree with your >> guess >> eg atm a lot of folk are late with rego and or other fees ( Bil is up >> the ladder there ) > > Are you sure the ladder's not up the Bil? :) no it aint as he is about to retire after 33 years with main roads ( think massive super) > > A Qld driver's licence is valid for five years. If he happens to > think that 10% of those drivers most likely to crash are in arrears at > any one time then it probably is! > I will say it again " late with fees including rego etc " now I don't know exactly but it is a large number of people Of course there are a lot who simply don't bother , I worked with a bloke who at 40 odd had NEVER had a drivers but drove to work every day and had done his entire working life and the old bloke around the corner who still drives with macula problems on a Sunday for the paper because it's only 4 blocks
From: John_H on 16 Jun 2010 19:09
atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >John_H wrote: >> atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: >>> John_H wrote: >>>> >>>> Qld crash statistics have consisently show around 10% of drivers >>>> involved in serious crashes (those involving fatalities and injuries) >>>> are unlicensed. Perhaps they've been lying for years! >>>> >>>> OTOH if they're not lying which group would you assume the unlicensed >>>> drivers would predominately belong to.... >>>> >>>> 1) Those who can't be bothered coughing up the licence fee? >>>> 2) Errant school kids who aren't old enough to drive? >>>> 3) Disqualified drivers? >>>> 4) Others? >>>> >>>> My money's still on 3)! :) >>>> >>> All I can go on is the bil's information which does not agree with your >>> guess >>> eg atm a lot of folk are late with rego and or other fees ( Bil is up >>> the ladder there ) >> >> Are you sure the ladder's not up the Bil? :) > > no it aint as he is about to retire after 33 years with main roads ( >think massive super) >> >> A Qld driver's licence is valid for five years. If he happens to >> think that 10% of those drivers most likely to crash are in arrears at >> any one time then it probably is! >> >I will say it again >" late with fees including rego etc " now I don't know exactly but it is >a large number of people > Of course there are a lot who simply don't bother , I worked with a >bloke who at 40 odd had NEVER had a drivers but drove to work every day >and had done his entire working life and the old bloke around the corner >who still drives with macula problems on a Sunday for the paper because >it's only 4 blocks So you still think it's group 1) then? They certainly exist, but most will either have very low exposure or live in Woopwoop. They're not likely to represent 10% of drivers and aren't likely to have a disproportionate risk of crashing. Since the point I was hoping to make is about attutude... who's the most likely to have it in spades? I still think it's group 3)! Supported by the number of disqualified drivers who come up before the local Magistrate's Court. Followed by those who breach licence restrictions (ie work only licences). A significant number of those who do get to Court are the result of crashes. Methinks they're not catching 'em soon enough. :) -- John H |