Mark Scaife calls for 140km/h limit on VIC freeways
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From: the fonz on 13 Jun 2010 23:56 On Jun 14, 1:35 pm, D Walford <dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote: > > Yep and most likely Skaife will be character assassinated by Govco and > the Police for daring to suggest that they don't know what they are doing.. i didn't understand skaife's argument. he was talking about out of control young drivers dying. we know they die because they drive like complete fuckwits, well beyond their abilities. how would raising freeway speed limits help this? it's not a terrible idea in it's own right, but he didn't explain how it was linked to reducing road fatalities. i don't think it is. more driver training is a good idea and he mentioned that, but then he just kept going back to higher speed limits. his argument that the authorities have got it all wrong was weak. in the last 25 years the road toll has almost halved and is still going down - where is the evidence to support his baseless assertion that "it's not working?". the fact is, heavy handed enforcement works because most aussie drivers are shithouse and can't be trusted to use their own judgment. the idea to train young drivers to "handle speed" was embarrassing. that's a great idea skaifey - teach 'em that it's OK to drive like dickheads because they've got the skillz. how's that gonna end up? what a buffoon.
From: John_H on 14 Jun 2010 00:33 D Walford wrote: >On 14/06/2010 12:50 PM, John_H wrote: > >> The really sad part is that it's probably irreversible... anytime in >> the foreseeable future at least. Once the majority of the flock >> accepts it the rest don't have a choice! >> >Yep and most likely Skaife will be character assassinated by Govco and >the Police for daring to suggest that they don't know what they are doing. Govco won't need to, because at least half of the sheeple won't believe him to begin with... and what the lesser half happen to believe won't matter! -- John H
From: the fonz on 14 Jun 2010 02:39 On Jun 14, 4:15 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...(a)idl.net.au> wrote: > The injury and fatality rates in Australia are worse than various > countries around Europe, and are actually worse than the improvements > predicted based solely on the improvement in the safety of the vehicle > fleet plus improved roads (eg new freeways, carriageway duplication, > black spot modifications, etc.) should have achieved. australia is pretty much on the OECD average at 0.7 deaths per hundred million vehicle kilometres. again, when skaife talked about how "it's not working" i'm unsure what he meant. you can also see from that report that Vic, with the most strict enforcement regime, has a lower fatality rate than other states. http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2009/pdf/rsr_05.pdf i agree with skaife about the need to train better drivers and that if we did, it's possible to raise speed limits. but i don't agree we could do that today.
From: D Walford on 14 Jun 2010 03:44 On 14/06/2010 4:39 PM, the fonz wrote: > On Jun 14, 4:15 pm, Athol<athol_SPIT_S...(a)idl.net.au> wrote: > >> The injury and fatality rates in Australia are worse than various >> countries around Europe, and are actually worse than the improvements >> predicted based solely on the improvement in the safety of the vehicle >> fleet plus improved roads (eg new freeways, carriageway duplication, >> black spot modifications, etc.) should have achieved. > > australia is pretty much on the OECD average at 0.7 deaths per hundred > million vehicle kilometres. again, when skaife talked about how "it's > not working" i'm unsure what he meant. you can also see from that > report that Vic, with the most strict enforcement regime, has a lower > fatality rate than other states. > > http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2009/pdf/rsr_05.pdf > > i agree with skaife about the need to train better drivers and that if > we did, it's possible to raise speed limits. but i don't agree we > could do that today. That report is 3yrs old and road fatalities in Vic are up 17 on the same time last year which is probably why Skaife said what he did. Daryl
From: the fonz on 14 Jun 2010 04:15
On Jun 14, 5:44 pm, D Walford <dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote: > That report is 3yrs old and road fatalities in Vic are up 17 on the same > time last year which is probably why Skaife said what he did. that could be just normal statistical variance. even with that increase, the figures are very strong and don't support skaife's claim that there is a big problem. |