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From: D Walford on 14 Jun 2010 04:49
On 14/06/2010 6:15 PM, the fonz wrote:
> On Jun 14, 5:44 pm, D Walford<dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote:
>> That report is 3yrs old and road fatalities in Vic are up 17 on the same
>> time last year which is probably why Skaife said what he did.
> that could be just normal statistical variance.
even with that
> increase, the figures are very strong and don't support skaife's claim
> that there is a big problem.
Disagree, it doesn't take much time observing driver behaviour to see
that it dramatically needs improving.
From: D Walford on 14 Jun 2010 04:51
On 14/06/2010 6:20 PM, Mr.T wrote:
> "John Tserkezis"<jt(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
>>> Apparently there'll be a TV program on it at 6:30pm today on channel 7.
>> And lose all that speed income? Fat chance.
> Yeah, Brumby says there are no plans to increase OR decrease the speed
> limits. However the speed limits HAVE been steadily decreased on nearly
> every road in Victoria for many years. I will bet money they keep on doing
> so to maintain revenue.
> Only a politician would claim a fully loaded truck/semi/B-double is as safe
> at 100kph as a modern car is at 130kph on a divided highway. And yet one is
> legal, and the other is an instant loss of license.
> Even worse is the Calder freeway through Keilor that is a 130kph design, but
> now 80kph limit. The only reason I can see is revenue. It starts on the six
> lane divided freeway, *MANY* kilometres before the first crossroad that was
> used to justify the decrease.
Total pita that is, whoever thought that up needs to be shot.
From: Bernd Felsche on 14 Jun 2010 08:23
the fonz <arthur.fonzzarelli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 14, 5:44=A0pm, D Walford <dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote:
>> That report is 3yrs old and road fatalities in Vic are up 17 on
>> the same time last year which is probably why Skaife said what he
>that could be just normal statistical variance. even with that
>increase, the figures are very strong and don't support skaife's claim
>that there is a big problem.
Explain why Germany's road toll has been falling steadily by between
3 and 5 percent every year for the past 15 and Australia's hasn't
fallen at all.
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From: the fonz on 14 Jun 2010 08:42
On Jun 14, 10:23 pm, Bernd Felsche <ber...(a)innovative.iinet.net.au>
> Explain why Germany's road toll has been falling steadily by between
> 3 and 5 percent every year for the past 15 and Australia's hasn't
> fallen at all.
but it has. table 6 shows that australia's deaths per hundred million
vehicle kilometres dropped from 1.2 in 1995 to 0.7 in 2007. that's a
huge reduction. i'm not saying we can't still learn from germany, but
on that segment skaife and the reporter were basically saying
australia was way behind thanks to greedy revenue raising, which is
just bullshit. it's not supported by facts.
From: John_H on 14 Jun 2010 18:18
Bernd Felsche wrote:
>It's not hard to drive in Germany... if you have the right attitude.
>Attitude is 80% of the difference.
Yep, and ours is ingrained! To the extent that a significant number
of Australians didn't ought be driving at all.