Mark Scaife calls for 140km/h limit on VIC freeways
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From: D Walford on 15 Jun 2010 02:31 On 15/06/2010 3:03 PM, Fraser Johnston wrote: > "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4c158d2c$0$14158$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> That problem is easy to solve, the speed limit reverts to 100kph when its >> raining, to prevent arguments over whether or not its wet enough to drop the >> limit they could install variable speed limit signs which we already have on >> many roads in Vic. >> IMO the issue of poor lane discipline needs to be addressed before the limits >> could be safely increased. >> The limits could be raised in steps over a couple of years to get people used >> to the idea, immediately raise to 110kph on the 3 roads mentioned (Hume is >> mostly 110 anyway) then 12mths later increase by another 10kph. > > That opens a whole can of worms. Too hard to police. Imagine you pass a sign > at 140km/h then a drop of rain hits the rain sensor and it changes to 100 after > you have passed it. > > Better way is to make it 140km/h and if someone is driving not to the > conditions (ie. it is pissing it down) you hit them with a dangerous driving > charge instead of speeding. Could be done but we would need a lot more Police on the roads. Daryl
From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 03:13 D Walford wrote: >On 15/06/2010 11:26 AM, John_H wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >>> On 15/06/2010 2:03 AM, Bernd Felsche wrote: >>>> >>>> It's not hard to drive in Germany... if you have the right attitude. >>>> Attitude is 80% of the difference. >>> >>> Very good point, it may be possible to teach new drivers the right >>> attitude but very difficult to change older ones. >> >> I've said it all before, but here we go again.... >> >> Road rage, in its various forms, is the most neglected road safety >> issue in this country. The most common everyday examples I see >> are.... tailgating (when it's done to demonstrate annoyance or to >> intimidate, as it frequently is) and deliberately blocking others from >> merging, overtaking or lane changing. >> >> Far worse examples aren't unusual and it's all down to attitude. Only >> the very worst are ever prosecuted... eg irate motorist runs down old >> lady in dispute over parking spot and gets 40 hours community service! >> >> It's been going on for so long it's now a part of the national psyche. >> >Too true, I've probably been guilty of some of it myself when I was a >lot younger. >Only hope is to change the attitudes of the very young and work up from >there. As much as I perish the thought, the only hope is to crack down hard on the offenders (who pass on their bad habits to the young). Licence disqualification is what's most likely to change attitudes, with a corresponding crack down on those who continue to drive while disqualified. For those who care to read them, statistics indicate that around 10% of drivers involved in serious crashes are unlicensed. Big brother wouldn't need to divert many of the resources currently used to catch speeders to nail most of them. If it's good enough to confiscate cars from licensed hoons it ought be doubly so for those who drive under disqualification. Permanently relieve 'em of their cars, owned or borrowed, and charge them with unlawful use of a lethal weapon as well. If they've stolen it, then bang 'em up for longer. :) -- John H
From: Feral on 15 Jun 2010 03:50 John_H wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> Too true, I've probably been guilty of some of it myself when I was a >> lot younger. >> Only hope is to change the attitudes of the very young and work up from >> there. > > As much as I perish the thought, the only hope is to crack down hard > on the offenders (who pass on their bad habits to the young). > > Licence disqualification is what's most likely to change attitudes, > with a corresponding crack down on those who continue to drive while > disqualified. For those who care to read them, statistics indicate > that around 10% of drivers involved in serious crashes are unlicensed. > Big brother wouldn't need to divert many of the resources currently > used to catch speeders to nail most of them. > > If it's good enough to confiscate cars from licensed hoons it ought be > doubly so for those who drive under disqualification. Permanently > relieve 'em of their cars, owned or borrowed, and charge them with > unlawful use of a lethal weapon as well. If they've stolen it, then > bang 'em up for longer. :) Welcome aboard. :-) -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: D Walford on 15 Jun 2010 03:52 On 15/06/2010 5:13 PM, John_H wrote: > As much as I perish the thought, the only hope is to crack down hard > on the offenders (who pass on their bad habits to the young). > > Licence disqualification is what's most likely to change attitudes, > with a corresponding crack down on those who continue to drive while > disqualified. For those who care to read them, statistics indicate > that around 10% of drivers involved in serious crashes are unlicensed. > Big brother wouldn't need to divert many of the resources currently > used to catch speeders to nail most of them. > Since most of the enforcement done in Vic is by cameras it would take a lot of extra traffic police on the roads to have any effect. I actually saw a cop car today, I had to look twice because its been a while since I've seen one. > If it's good enough to confiscate cars from licensed hoons it ought be > doubly so for those who drive under disqualification. Permanently > relieve 'em of their cars, owned or borrowed, and charge them with > unlawful use of a lethal weapon as well. If they've stolen it, then > bang 'em up for longer. :) > I see those sorts of thing as short term measures which may have some affect but long time IMO the only answer is better training and increasing the difficulty of getting a license. Daryl
From: Feral on 15 Jun 2010 04:09
D Walford wrote: > Since most of the enforcement done in Vic is by cameras it would take a > lot of extra traffic police on the roads to have any effect. > I actually saw a cop car today, I had to look twice because its been a > while since I've seen one. A marked one. ;-) > I see those sorts of thing as short term measures which may have some > affect but long time IMO the only answer is better training and > increasing the difficulty of getting a license. I think John's reasoning is to *combine* them. Yeah? -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ |