From: chrisv on 22 Oct 2009 15:11
>On 2009-10-22, chrisv <chrisv(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Tell us again how "Getting laws passed is how you crush your
>> competition in the USA."
>You can't be that stupid... (remainder snipped, unread)
You *really* went on the defense for such an obviously false
statement? Sheesh, what a freaking idiot!
I suppose you think an "example" of something that happened "proves"
that "that's how it's done" in all cases.
You're not worth the time to read you posts.
From: Brent on 22 Oct 2009 15:14
On 2009-10-22, chrisv <chrisv(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
>>On 2009-10-22, chrisv <chrisv(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Tell us again how "Getting laws passed is how you crush your
>>> competition in the USA."
>>You can't be that stupid... (remainder snipped, unread)
> You *really* went on the defense for such an obviously false
> statement? Sheesh, what a freaking idiot!
> I suppose you think an "example" of something that happened "proves"
> that "that's how it's done" in all cases.
It's SOP for the government. Try paying attention to the world around
you some time.
> You're not worth the time to read you posts.
Good, then I won't see any more from you.
From: RonB on 22 Oct 2009 15:15
> Exactly. MS is where IBM used to be. I once worked at a place was
> entirely unix (HP and Sun) and Mac. Then it was Sun and MS. Now I
> understand it's just MS. Why? MS got better and remained cheaper while
> intel based PCs grew in power to do what the Sun machines were doing
> even with the overhead of windows.
Linux and UNIX are still strong in the server market -- and Linux is
getting stronger every year. But you're right about Sun sticking with
their old hardware for too long -- though their OS was solid. If you
think that Microsoft is unable to bring pressure into the marketplace
(which has nothing to do with merit of the product) then you're living
in a fool's paradise.
"There's a story there...somewhere"
From: gpsman on 22 Oct 2009 15:18
On Oct 22, 9:18 am, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
> "gpsman" <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote
> So tell me again how Microsoft has a bona fide monopoly? I am not disputing they have a
> dominant market share, but they don't have _all_ the market, so it simply
> can't be the true definition of a monopoly.
First you must understand that a monopoly does not cease to exist upon
the sale of the first alternative unit, regardless of its comparative
utility or the "true" definition of economists.
Insisting that there can be no lesser degrees of monopoly is
childishly simplistic and just plain silly.
"Monopoly" is measured in the real world marketplace and courts as
"monopoly power" and a full 100% of a market is nowhere near necessary
to attain that power.
What company dominates any global market to anywhere near the extent
> * Then that is telling about what's lacking about the competition. They
> simply have not invested the time and effort into making their alternative
> OS that much better than Windows.
What's "better" is relative and subjective. Other OSs are often
touted as superior, and even free, and MS continues to enjoy monopoly
"Time and effort" equals "money", and that task obviously requires a
lot of it, with no guarantee of a single cent of ROI.
Great product and inferior marketing or just a lack of market
acceptance spells struggle, if not doom.
Smart money looks elsewhere other than taking on the 800 pound
gorilla, which, of course, severely limits competitive efforts.
That's the power of a monopoly.
From: RonB on 22 Oct 2009 15:18
Larry Sheldon wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> It is so effective that it has a 90% market share, you buffoon.
>>> So it does not have by definition, a monopoly.
>> Then neither did AT&T.
> In the neighbor hood I lived in, they sure did. I could not get
> telephone service from GT, of Cal Drip and Tinkle, even though they both
> had nearby franchises (in some neighborhoods, wires on the same pole).
And yet AT&T only had 85% of the market -- so, since they didn't have
100% of the market, they couldn't possibly be a monopoly.
(Not my definition, by the way.)
"There's a story there...somewhere"