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From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 23 Oct 2009 00:15 "Larry Sheldon" <lfsheldon(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7kbg3rF37ajn3U2(a)mid.individual.net... > Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote: > >> Windows is installed on 90% of all computers; it owns the market. > Wow, again, I didn't post that. I replied to another post, apparently from gpsman, that contained that. > "monopoly" is not defined as a product that everybody (rightly or wrongly) > thinks is the perfect solution. > >> Windows is the standard by which others are judged; is it "better" >> than Windows? > > Since there are "others", Windows is not a monopoly product. Yes, I agree.
From: Hadron on 23 Oct 2009 00:23 gpsman <gpsman(a)driversmail.com> writes: > On Oct 22, 9:18 am, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." > <dwrous...(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: >> "gpsman" <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote >> >> So tell me again how Microsoft has a bona fide monopoly? I am not disputing they have a >> dominant market share, but they don't have _all_ the market, so it simply >> can't be the true definition of a monopoly. > > First you must understand that a monopoly does not cease to exist upon > the sale of the first alternative unit, regardless of its comparative > utility or the "true" definition of economists. > > Insisting that there can be no lesser degrees of monopoly is > childishly simplistic and just plain silly. > > "Monopoly" is measured in the real world marketplace and courts as > "monopoly power" and a full 100% of a market is nowhere near necessary > to attain that power. > > What company dominates any global market to anywhere near the extent > of Windows? Noe that don't have a good product that people want. Define "good" as you see fit here. But basically it means the OS that runs the apps they want, with the support they want, and the user acceptance they want. > >> * Then that is telling about what's lacking about the competition. They >> simply have not invested the time and effort into making their alternative >> OS that much better than Windows. > > What's "better" is relative and subjective. Other OSs are often Yup. For sure. And here's a hint for you monopoly boy : better is what the people choose for themselves. Choice. And they DO have a choice. > touted as superior, and even free, and MS continues to enjoy monopoly > power. Monopoly? Huh? I run Debian on ALL my systems. > > "Time and effort" equals "money", and that task obviously requires a > lot of it, with no guarantee of a single cent of ROI. Not if you give away stuff that no one wants. Ask Ubuntu about how much they want to charge businesses for their support. > > Great product and inferior marketing or just a lack of market > acceptance spells struggle, if not doom. Correct. So no monopoly thing appears there. > > Smart money looks elsewhere other than taking on the 800 pound > gorilla, which, of course, severely limits competitive efforts. > > That's the power of a monopoly. Thats the ramblings of a clueless freetard.
From: RonB on 23 Oct 2009 00:24 Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote: > As I understand US anti-trust law, merely having this kind of market > share is enough basis to get the Justice Dept after you, regardless of > how the market share is acquired. IBM was in the same position as M/S > years ago and DOJ went after it. IBM won, though previously it did > modify some of its marketing policies, such as unbundling. > > ** Which to me, is sort of paradoxical. One gets to be successful, but > then there is a point where one has become too successful and must > apparently be brought down, even with government help. As long as there > is choice, IMHO I still don't see it as a monopoly. The problem being that, once a company has reached practical monopoly status, they can freeze out competition. They do this in many ways -- dumping their product, threatening to withhold their product from companies who attempt to sell a competing product, purposely design software so it won't run with a competitor's product -- or simply taking a competitor's product if they can't buy it. Microsoft has been involved in all these practices over the years. So it's not just a matter of them being big and successful -- it's how they use their success and size to hammer down potential competition. And what people tend to forget when they laud Microsoft's business acumen, is that Microsoft's monopoly was built on the back of IBM's original PC monopoly. It was a matter of pure, dumb luck. -- RonB "There's a story there...somewhere"
From: Hadron on 23 Oct 2009 00:24 gpsman <gpsman(a)driversmail.com> writes: > On Oct 22, 2:13 pm, Hadron <hadronqu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> chrisv <chr...(a)nospam.invalid> writes: >> > Brent wrote: >> >> >>Monopolies require the aid of the state. >> >> > No they don't. >> >> Yes, they clearly do. As the examples given have shown. > > Proof by example; logical fallacy. Huh? > >> Why do you insist on being so infantile and thick? > > Perhaps you should reevaluate. > ----- > > - gpsman Perhaps you should learn how a .sig should be set.
From: gpsman on 23 Oct 2009 00:34
On Oct 22, 11:56 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > And motorola once had 100% of cellular phones. Obviously this > 'effective' monopoly did not last. "Last"? The term is meaningless in this context without a reference to time. Your imbecilic fondness for absolute terms makes it seem safe to presume you mean "last forever". Yes? No? Decline to clarify? > No monopoly can last in a free market. Why not? Be specific. > Any time you can find a monopoly you'll find that the government > has done something to make it so or is neglecting what they should be > doing to let it continue. If vagueness and unsupported assertions were a penny a pound you could take care of your mother instead of the other way 'round. > So what stops those who make the apps from making other versions? Lack of profit from tiny markets and the ability to discern the blindingly obvious. It is odd you would suddenly and inexplicably fail to attribute something like this to government intervention. They got to you, didn't they...? ----- - gpsman |