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From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 26 Mar 2010 23:32
"Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-03-26, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ever notice how Droids will catch up to a slower car in the lane ahead
>> of them and slow down, matching the slower car's speed, and sit there
>> for 15 - 30 seconds before finally changing lanes and passing? This is
>> because Droids have no idea what is happening anywhere around them
>> except directly in front of their cars. When they coe upon an
>> obstruction, they have to take a few moments to look around, check
>> their mirrors, and make sure it's safe to change lanes; hence the
>> pause.
>
> These are the same people who complain about bicyclists delaying them
> because they are 'forced' to slow to the bicyclist's speed. No, they
> simply failed to observe and plan ahead.
>

No need to rehash older discussions, but to summarize--bicyclists not in the
bike lane when a marked bike lane exists, bicyclists taking the lane instead
of riding as far ride as practicible when room to ride right exists,
bicyclists riding double-file with or without a marked bike lane, etc.
forcing thru vehicular traffic to cross over lane markers or even center
divider lines.

Those are all the bicyclist's fault, period, for causing any sort of
noteworthy traffic slowdown.


From: Alexander Rogge on 27 Mar 2010 01:42
Brent wrote:
> On 2010-03-26, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ever notice how Droids will catch up to a slower car in the lane ahead
>> of them and slow down, matching the slower car's speed, and sit there
>> for 15 - 30 seconds before finally changing lanes and passing?
>
> These are the same people who complain about bicyclists delaying them
> because they are 'forced' to slow to the bicyclist's speed. No, they
> simply failed to observe and plan ahead.

I was "forced" to slow slightly this morning. There was a car ahead of
me going less than 80, and I was going 110. I saw it and tried to pass,
but realised that I could not accelerate to the speed of the passing
traffic. There was enough space in front of me that I was able to slow
until the passing lane was clear, accelerate to pass, and move back to
the right lane to resume my original speed. Of course, I could have
pushed the engine to redline, accelerated to 200 and zoomed in front of
the approaching traffic, but I didn't believe that that was necessary.

It is an uneventful experience to encounter a slower car on the roadway,
when lane-discipline exists. No traffic jam was apparent as a result of
the slower car in the right lane. This is in stark contrast to the
result of a passing lane being obstructed. Within a few seconds, all
traffic behind the CLB or LLB can become jammed. Lane-discipline is
probably the most global issue to affect the safety and efficiency of a
roadway.
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 27 Mar 2010 01:46
"Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-03-27, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>> "Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hoijg3$fnm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 2010-03-26, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ever notice how Droids will catch up to a slower car in the lane ahead
>>>> of them and slow down, matching the slower car's speed, and sit there
>>>> for 15 - 30 seconds before finally changing lanes and passing? This is
>>>> because Droids have no idea what is happening anywhere around them
>>>> except directly in front of their cars. When they coe upon an
>>>> obstruction, they have to take a few moments to look around, check
>>>> their mirrors, and make sure it's safe to change lanes; hence the
>>>> pause.
>>>
>>> These are the same people who complain about bicyclists delaying them
>>> because they are 'forced' to slow to the bicyclist's speed. No, they
>>> simply failed to observe and plan ahead.
>>>
>>
>> No need to rehash older discussions, but to summarize--bicyclists not in
>> the
>> bike lane when a marked bike lane exists, bicyclists taking the lane
>> instead
>> of riding as far ride as practicible when room to ride right exists,
>> bicyclists riding double-file with or without a marked bike lane, etc.
>> forcing thru vehicular traffic to cross over lane markers or even center
>> divider lines.
>
> So slow is safe so long as it's not slower than you, then you're
> annoyed.
>
More like slow is safe as long as slow is not due to deliberate traffic
impeding. Especially in the case of the critical mass/uniformed bicyclist,
it is almost always intentional that traffic is slowed down specifically
because of the MFFY bicyclist(s).

[snip...]

From: Alexander Rogge on 27 Mar 2010 01:47
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> And what would happen to the driver who swerves to avoid the Sloth and
> gets creamed by faster traffic in the next lane over?

He'd probably be cited for making an illegal lane-change, while the
Sloth was allowed to slither away. Either that, or he'd be killed by
approaching traffic, while again the Sloth slithers away.

From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 27 Mar 2010 02:03
"Alexander Rogge" <a_rogge(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> And what would happen to the driver who swerves to avoid the Sloth and
>> gets creamed by faster traffic in the next lane over?
>
> He'd probably be cited for making an illegal lane-change, while the Sloth
> was allowed to slither away. Either that, or he'd be killed by
> approaching traffic, while again the Sloth slithers away.
>

So in both cases, it would not be safe to swerve, then the solution would be
to just brake and not swerve.

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