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From: Conor on 23 Feb 2010 14:58 In article <hlv3dc$nq5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, TJ says... > > "Tim S Kemp" <news(a)timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:ctKdnfVBoMPqcB_WnZ2dnUVZ7vudnZ2d(a)eclipse.net.uk... > > Mondeo: Big. Steers nice. Lots of space. Looks nice. Cheap interior. > > Diesel: Unrefined, especially at low revs. > > Auto: Just don't. > > > > Drove a manual one a few weeks ago (when merc was off road due to pothole > > damage) and it was fine as long as you kept it above 2000 rpm, or there > > was no go and risk of stalling. Now, with merc yet again off road due to > > pothole damage, I have another, but this has an autobox. > > > > Vibration at 1500-2000 rpm is awful on these engines, unfortunately that > > translates to 50-70mph in top. By 3000 the noise starts to get to you. > > There's not a "right gear" at 70, you want to be at 2500rpm but it's > > higher than that in 5th and lower than that in 6th. > > > > And sluggish??? The lockup is about 1500rpm, the boost doesn't kick until > > about 2000 rpm. So you pull from a junction with nothing, then nothing, > > then nothing, then whoosh. All the time wondering whether the noise and > > vibration can get worse, which if you nail the throttle to the max it > > does. Or if you drive like a granny it does as well as it changes to 2nd > > and drops back into the low RPM range again. > > > > Of course if it's wet when you do this the traction control kills the > > newly found power and drops you back into the low revs, crawling across a > > junction. > > > > I can see the most useful feature on this car will be the side impact > > bars. Right turns need forward planning and preferably booking weeks in > > advance, overtakes need manual mode. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > And remember kids, RAID is safe and the UPS never fails, and Cisco routers > > never develop intermittent faults, and external hard drives never fail > > with only a month's use, and the DNS is reliable and resilient, and the > > mailserver is protected from all forms of attack, and the replacement UPS > > will be reliable as the first one was an unusual failure. No one will ever > > guess /that/ password, the aircon can't fail 285V is close enough to 230, > > and the QoS on the PWan won't obstruct the tagged traffic. > > A very interesting review of a diesel auto and one with traction control. > You have put me right off. I have a diesel and the only vibration is at > idle, > anything else is fine. Ignore him. Its either broken or, going on the number of accidents Tim has, he can't drive it. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
From: Douglas Payne on 23 Feb 2010 17:05 Conor wrote: > In article <ctKdnfVBoMPqcB_WnZ2dnUVZ7vudnZ2d(a)eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp > says... > >> Vibration at 1500-2000 rpm is awful on these engines, unfortunately that >> translates to 50-70mph in top. By 3000 the noise starts to get to you. >> There's not a "right gear" at 70, you want to be at 2500rpm but it's higher >> than that in 5th and lower than that in 6th. >> >> And sluggish??? The lockup is about 1500rpm, the boost doesn't kick until >> about 2000 rpm. So you pull from a junction with nothing, then nothing, then >> nothing, then whoosh. All the time wondering whether the noise and vibration >> can get worse, which if you nail the throttle to the max it does. Or if you >> drive like a granny it does as well as it changes to 2nd and drops back into >> the low RPM range again. >> > > Is it broken? Is it the lame version? Sounds nothing like my TDCi 130 > and that has 135,000 on the clock. Probably just what Tim's used to. Just tell him its not a Mercedes and that a 1-2 year old Mondeo costs less than a new E Class and that there's a reason for that. -- Douglas
From: Tim S Kemp on 23 Feb 2010 17:07 "Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.25ee4396c6210057989d13(a)news.eternal-september.org... > In article <ctKdnfVBoMPqcB_WnZ2dnUVZ7vudnZ2d(a)eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp > > Is it broken? Is it the lame version? Sounds nothing like my TDCi 130 > and that has 135,000 on the clock. I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The other had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with the unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no pull out of junctions. I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a review of one... -- And remember kids, RAID is safe and the UPS never fails, and Cisco routers never develop intermittent faults, and external hard drives never fail with only a month's use, and the DNS is reliable and resilient, and the mailserver is protected from all forms of attack, and the replacement UPS will be reliable as the first one was an unusual failure. No one will ever guess /that/ password, the aircon can't fail 285V is close enough to 230, and the QoS on the PWan won't obstruct the tagged traffic.
From: Conor on 24 Feb 2010 05:32 In article <OtGdnbk6KcAdzBnWnZ2dnUVZ8kGdnZ2d(a)eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp says... > I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and > had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The other > had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with the > unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no pull > out of junctions. > > I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless > they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a > review of one... There are two versions of the 2L engine. One is a gutless one. I guess that's the one you must have ended up with. Checked mine last night accelerating out of a 40MPH limit from 1500RPM and got the turbo surge I was expecting when I planted my foot down. Just as a matter of interest, where do you think a petrol one kicks in because it sure isn't at 1500RPM. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
From: DervMan on 24 Feb 2010 13:43
"Conor" <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.25ef10b1d5d9740d989d1c(a)news.eternal-september.org... > In article <OtGdnbk6KcAdzBnWnZ2dnUVZ8kGdnZ2d(a)eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp > says... > >> I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and >> had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The >> other >> had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with >> the >> unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no >> pull >> out of junctions. >> >> I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless >> they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a >> review of one... > > There are two versions of the 2L engine. One is a gutless one. I guess > that's the one you must have ended up with. Checked mine last night > accelerating out of a 40MPH limit from 1500RPM and got the turbo surge I > was expecting when I planted my foot down. It's a different generation and doesn't have as much of the electronic emissions crappery on it. > Just as a matter of interest, where do you think a petrol one kicks in > because it sure isn't at 1500RPM. Heh; my petrol car pulls hard from 1,500 rpm... but anyway that's as relevant as your comment... -- The DervMan www.dervman.com |