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From: OzOne on 28 Jun 2010 07:13 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:31:25 +1000, "Brad" <optional(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >A family member bought one of these today. A 1995 model auto 4WD vanny >thing, with a 2.0l engine, apparently from the Galant VR. It has 150,000km >on the clock. > >Does anyone here know anything about these things? I had a quick look at it >and it's making a constant "tick" sound from the top end, that seems to go >away when it warms up. There looks be be an oil leak, or one that has been >fixed, as a dryish oily patch is visible on the bottom of the engine, and a >pipe connecting to the bottom of the radiator (maybe from the transmission) >looked like it had a minor leak. > >On the way home from buying it apparently the ticking noise grew louder and >it lost power, so they pulled over for a few minutes, then re-started it and >drove home fine. (I'm not 100% sure some operator error did not come into >play there, but that's what they reported) > >I 'think' the seller sounds like someone who buys cars, fixes them up, then >flogs them, and maybe has dodgied something up. > >Will be taking it to a mechanic for a service and check tomorrow but hoping >to gather any info on these things, and what is prone to go wrong with them, >beforehand so I can ensure it's checked properly. It's had an oil change with the wrong grade oil or is sludged up after not having regular changes. Change it to say Edge 0-40 or 5-30 and run it for a couple of weeks....It will probably smoke a bit after 150,000km. Change again to a something like 10-40 Magnatec and it should be fine. Change every 10,000 after that and if it's still a good engine it should be fine. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: hippo on 28 Jun 2010 20:16 Noddy wrote: > > > "Brad" <optional(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:4c28640a(a)news.x-privat.org... > > > The ticking subsides when it warms up, so probably not that. But sounds > > like a good tip for the future. > > > > The mechanic has it now, so will probably find out the verdict tomorrow. > > Most mitsu engines of that vintage have hydraulic lash adjusters in the > rocker arms, and they're particularly prone to being clocked with sludge or > the oil passages being blocked which prevents them from pumping up and being > quiet. They'll usually quiet down once the engine warms up, but it's not > uncommon for a few of them to refuse to play at all and remain "ticky". > There's a specific procedure for bleeding them if they're noisy, but that > involves pulling them out which isn't a 5 minute job. Last time I looked for > some only genuine ones were available and they were about 45 bucks each > which is pretty hot for something an inch long by half an inch in diameter, > but there may be non genuine replacements around these days. > > If you do discover the noise is caused by the lash adjusters and have them > replaced (which will be costly), then giving the engine a diet of a decent > oil, changed regularly, will definitely help keep them in good order. I used > to feed Mitsu engines with hydraulic lash adjusters Penrite HPR-15 which is > a 15w-60 semi synthetic and it worked *really* well at keeping them in good > order even after some horrendously hard working high mileage applications. > > Another option you could try if you were so inclined, but it would involve a > bit of work, would be to swap the hydraulically actuated rocker gear for the > manually adjusted variety from an earlier engine. > > You'd need to do a bit of detective work to see what fits what, but I know > on some of the 4G63 engines as fitted to the L-300 vans I had to change a > couple of them from hydraulic to manual for a couple of clients who got sick > of changing lifters. The 4g63 of the L-300 was just a basic 8 valve engine, > and I *think* from memory the rocker arms from some of the early Magna 4 > cylinders could be used on the later model hydraulic shafts. It certainly > worked well for those customers who wanted it done, but with the down side > being that they needed regular valve lash adjustments. Still, in their > opinion that was cheaper and more reliable than replacing lash adjusters > every so often. > > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > > > > Did something I *never* usually do on the 12V Excel X3 that went all clattery: flushed it twice 5000Kms apart. Still running like a (rather elderly Korean) sewing machine 20+ 000 later. Worth trying on this one? -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: Noddy on 28 Jun 2010 20:58 "hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in message news:i0be1c$umu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Did something I *never* usually do on the 12V Excel X3 that went all > clattery: flushed it twice 5000Kms apart. Still running like a (rather > elderly Korean) sewing machine 20+ 000 later. Worth trying on this one? Possibly. The bleed procedure for the lash adjusters involves pumping them up with diesel which also helps to clean them, so a flush or two at close intervals may do something similar. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Fraser Johnston on 28 Jun 2010 21:44 "Brad" <optional(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:4c26f050(a)news.x-privat.org... >A family member bought one of these today. A 1995 model auto 4WD vanny thing, >with a 2.0l engine, apparently from the Galant VR. It has 150,000km on the >clock. > > Does anyone here know anything about these things? I had a quick look at it > and it's making a constant "tick" sound from the top end, that seems to go > away when it warms up. There looks be be an oil leak, or one that has been > fixed, as a dryish oily patch is visible on the bottom of the engine, and a > pipe connecting to the bottom of the radiator (maybe from the transmission) > looked like it had a minor leak. > > On the way home from buying it apparently the ticking noise grew louder and > it lost power, so they pulled over for a few minutes, then re-started it and > drove home fine. (I'm not 100% sure some operator error did not come into > play there, but that's what they reported) > > I 'think' the seller sounds like someone who buys cars, fixes them up, then > flogs them, and maybe has dodgied something up. > > Will be taking it to a mechanic for a service and check tomorrow but hoping > to gather any info on these things, and what is prone to go wrong with them, > beforehand so I can ensure it's checked properly. Why would you not get the mechanic to check it BEFORE you buy it???????? Fraser
From: Brad on 28 Jun 2010 23:14
Scotty wrote: > "Kev" <kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message > news:4c2872fc$0$12922$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >> Brad wrote: >>> Scotty wrote: >>>> "Kev"<kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:4c277fd4$0$1028$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>>> Brad wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These things were never sold here and were brought in as a Grey >>>>> Import Your Family Member will need to be prepared to be ripped >>>>> blind on all things, Insurance being the biggest >>>>> >>>>> the Engine maybe from the Galant the rest of the running gear >>>>> isn't unless the VR was AWD but that won't guarantee that it >>>>> would be the same >>>>> >>>>> Kev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> The VR Galant was indeed 4Wheel Drive. In good order was great car. >>>> Its just a pity that it too suffered the dreaded premature oil >>>> control ring wearing. >>> >>> Any idea around what milage that becomes an issue? >>> >> >> as soon as the engine is started to drive it out the factory door >> >> Kev > > Ive seen em smokey at around 100k.Its a pity really as most of teh > Misis are quite good cars. The oil/smoke issues tend to have given > them sucha bad wrap. Apart from the fact that many people who own > them dont actually be bothered getting the smoke issue rectified, > they just keep driving them. It's not fumey from the oil filler cap, or smokey from the exhaust, so maybe that's a good sign. It's had the timing belt replaced recently, for what that's worth knowing. -- Brad |