Monbiot on speed cameras and the real war
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From: Matt B on 30 Jul 2010 04:54 On 30/07/2010 09:41, Adrian wrote: > Chelsea Tractor Man<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > >> So am I, but we both know and understand what's behind my comment I >> think. Injury accidents are mostly the province of the technically >> competant, confident male, not the bumbling old lady who takes 15 >> attempts to pass. > > Except, of course, the "bumbling old lady" wasn't either bumbling or old > when she did pass. And indeed if she is /very/ old, she may have got her licence before testing was a requirement. -- Matt B
From: Adrian on 30 Jul 2010 04:58 Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> something I wasn't replying to. >> That's strange, since it covered exactly what you went on to say. > do you find it hard to remember your own posts? No, not really. You took... >>> Easily. All we need to do is to require drivers to retake their test >>> at regular intervals, to reverse the replacement of real live TrafPol >>> by cameras, and to start actually targetting bad driving instead of >>> merely the minor low-hanging fruit. and turned it into... >>> Easily. All we need to do is to require drivers to retake their test >>> at regular intervals, >> the driving test tells you nothing about how drivers will behave completely ignoring the fact that the rest of the sentence made your comment irrelevant.
From: Matt B on 30 Jul 2010 05:14 On 30/07/2010 09:48, Brimstone wrote: > > "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote in message > news:8bfhapF1c0U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> On 30/07/2010 09:03, Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote in message >>> news:8bf9d8Fi9hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> On 30/07/2010 07:12, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:15 +0100, JNugent wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> IOW, road tax (where charged) is a charge for the use of the roads. >>>>> >>>>> no, its a *tax* on those who use powered vehicles on the roads >>>> >>>> ITYM, _yes_, it's a *tax* on _some_ of those who use powered vehicles >>>> on _public_ roads. >>>> >>> <pedant mode> >>> >>> ITYM it's a tax on all powered vehicles although some are set at a zero >>> rate at the moment. >>> >>> </pedant mode> >> >> <pedant strength="maximum"> >> Only those that are required to be registered and to display a licence >> disc. >> </pedant> >> > I can't think of any powered vehicles permitted to use the public > highway which are not required to be registered and to display a VED > disc even if the rate is zero. Perhaps you can fill in the gap in my > knowledge? There's this one: <http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00811/SNN2507CAR_380_811078a.jpg> Note the lack of a number plate. And, IIRC there are exceptions for various types of recovery vehicles, certain types of road maintenance vehicle, certain categories of government/armed forces vehicles, etc. -- Matt B
From: GT on 30 Jul 2010 05:22 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cZ-dnXT9auRsDM_RnZ2dnUVZ7rydnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote in message > news:8bfhapF1c0U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> On 30/07/2010 09:03, Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> "Matt B" <matt.bourke(a)nospam.london.com> wrote in message >>> news:8bf9d8Fi9hU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> On 30/07/2010 07:12, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:02:15 +0100, JNugent wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> IOW, road tax (where charged) is a charge for the use of the roads. >>>>> >>>>> no, its a *tax* on those who use powered vehicles on the roads >>>> >>>> ITYM, _yes_, it's a *tax* on _some_ of those who use powered vehicles >>>> on _public_ roads. >>>> >>> <pedant mode> >>> >>> ITYM it's a tax on all powered vehicles although some are set at a zero >>> rate at the moment. >>> >>> </pedant mode> >> >> <pedant strength="maximum"> >> Only those that are required to be registered and to display a licence >> disc. >> </pedant> >> > I can't think of any powered vehicles permitted to use the public highway > which are not required to be registered and to display a VED disc even if > the rate is zero. Perhaps you can fill in the gap in my knowledge? Old cars don't need a tax disc - is it older than 26 years?
From: GT on 30 Jul 2010 05:25
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:1biywgrup8qyt$.1mcr71tdoe47g.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:49:30 +0100, Matt B wrote: > >>> you could argue that the speed limit has eliminated a lot of purely >>> speed >>> related accidents. You certainly cannot argue speed limits do not work >>> because there are still accidents. Speed limits just tend to mitigate >>> the >>> effects, not the causes. >> >> How? Given that they have little or no effect on traffic speeds. > > enforcement with speed cameras has reduced speeds in UK. Haven't you > noticed? Only at the camera sites - other roads have the same speeding traffic - if you are doing less than 85, then you are harassed on the 2 lane M8. There are no speed cameras on the majority of the M8 between Edinburgh and Glasgow. |