Monbiot on speed cameras and the real war
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From: Brimstone on 31 Jul 2010 08:48 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:18y825m6i3rx5$.9o2yo46e7oq1$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:22:36 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > >>>>> not the same thing >>>>> >>>> Why not? >>> >>> its obvious >>> >> To you, perhaps. > > a speed limiter has one limit, we have mulitiple speed limits, no doubt > one > could be made, but for now.... > Was there a part of :- "If one wishes to stay below 30 mph one sets the limiter to 30 (or slightly less). Ditto 40, etc." That you didn't understand? Try this, http://www.peugeot.com/en/innovation/safety/prevent/speed-limiter-cruise-control-and-overspeed-warning.aspx
From: Tony Raven on 31 Jul 2010 09:01 Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:22:36 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > >>>>> not the same thing >>>>> >>>> Why not? >>> its obvious >>> >> To you, perhaps. > > a speed limiter has one limit, we have mulitiple speed limits, no doubt one > could be made, but for now.... There are trials in many countries of intelligent speed controls. The main limitation to introducing it in the UK is, as I understand it, getting speed limit mapping for the entire road network. -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell
From: Matt B on 31 Jul 2010 09:42 On 31/07/2010 14:01, Tony Raven wrote: > Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:22:36 +0100, Brimstone wrote: >> >>>>>> not the same thing >>>>>> >>>>> Why not? >>>> its obvious >>>> >>> To you, perhaps. >> >> a speed limiter has one limit, we have mulitiple speed limits, no >> doubt one >> could be made, but for now.... > > There are trials in many countries of intelligent speed controls. The > main limitation to introducing it in the UK is, as I understand it, > getting speed limit mapping for the entire road network. There are places too where the same road has different limits in each direction. Parallel roads with the same x,y locations, but on different z planes, each with a different speed limit. Crossroads where each of the crossing roads has a different speed limit. Parallel roads, separated by nothing more than a kerb of different speed limits. Different limits for different vehicle types on the same road. Temporary speed limits... Would it ever be able to cope? -- Matt B
From: Derek C on 31 Jul 2010 10:12 On Jul 31, 2:42 pm, Matt B <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: > On 31/07/2010 14:01, Tony Raven wrote: > > > > > > > Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: > >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:22:36 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > > >>>>>> not the same thing > > >>>>> Why not? > >>>> its obvious > > >>> To you, perhaps. > > >> a speed limiter has one limit, we have mulitiple speed limits, no > >> doubt one > >> could be made, but for now.... > > > There are trials in many countries of intelligent speed controls. The > > main limitation to introducing it in the UK is, as I understand it, > > getting speed limit mapping for the entire road network. > > There are places too where the same road has different limits in each > direction. Parallel roads with the same x,y locations, but on different > z planes, each with a different speed limit. Crossroads where each of > the crossing roads has a different speed limit. Parallel roads, > separated by nothing more than a kerb of different speed limits. > Different limits for different vehicle types on the same road. > Temporary speed limits... > > Would it ever be able to cope? > I wouldn't want an automatic speed limiter anyway, because there are situations where you can only accelerate out of trouble and may have to temporarily exceed the speed to achieve this. Otherwise clear signage and cruise control seem to work quite well, and my satnav warns me if I am exceeding the speed limit.
From: Nick Finnigan on 31 Jul 2010 10:45
Matt B wrote: > > What do you think would happen to traffic speeds and casualty rates if > car drivers didn't assume (and weren't given) right of way over all > traffic emerging from each and every side road and driveway or over all > pedestrians and cyclists who wanted to cross as they drove along a road? > > What do you think would happen to traffic speeds and casualty rates if, > as well as what I said above, kerbs were removed and the carriageway and > footway were merged, and pedestrians, cyclists and motorists could and > did use any part of it for travelling and for stopping to pass the time > of day with each other and if children were encouraged to play on it and > locals were encouraged to decorate it with flower beds, works of art, > flower planters, benches etc? I live in a traditionally built British house on a traditionally built road which has no footway and no kerbs and never has had any. The nearby junctions do not have any signs nor markings to indicate priority. Nor do the bus stops have any signs nor markings. It does have a non-traditional 30mph speed limit, and non-traditional encouragement of flower beds etc. Traffic speeds are exactly the same as in a modern British street. Casualty rates are so low anywhere that there is no significant variation. |