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From: ChelseaTractorMan on 12 May 2010 10:39 On Wed, 12 May 2010 07:13:45 -0700 (PDT), "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >As someone put it on R4 this morning, a generation of socially liberal >Tories have met a generation of economically liberal Liberals, and >they quite like each other. They're mostly young, male, privately >educated and very similar. I suspect Cameron could have been the liberal parties Blair. But I do wonder if the many Thatcherite MPs in the background will get along with liberal policies (and older liberals) on things like Europe and Defence? I also wonder how many liberal voters sympathise with the Tories "getting their votes" and how that vote will stand up next time? -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: boltar2003 on 12 May 2010 11:50 On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:39:53 +0100 ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >Defence? I also wonder how many liberal voters sympathise with the >Tories "getting their votes" and how that vote will stand up next >time? Liberal voters should be grateful their party is going to have any power to influence policy given how much of an also-ran it is. B2003
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 12 May 2010 12:29 On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:50:45 +0000 (UTC), boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: >Liberal voters should be grateful their party is going to have any power to >influence policy given how much of an also-ran it is. labour 8.6m votes 258 seats liberal 6.8m votes 57 seats the liberal vote is evenly spread across the country as its not the old "tribal" pattern so they come second everywhere. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Zimmy on 13 May 2010 07:41 "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e3b47e7f-f0f9-44de-9f39-8ec554b05262(a)6g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On May 12, 12:45 pm, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:52:01 +0000 (UTC), boltar2...(a)boltar.world >> wrote: >> >> >They need to raise money to pay off the debt somehow. Drivers are the >> >source >> >least likely to cause rioting on the streets so don't expect things to >> >change >> >much. >> >> the Tory idea is savage cuts to services, certainly I would expect tax >> to also rise, but I would be more worried if I thought I might be >> using those services (or provided them) than as a driver. The liberal >> idea always *used* to be high taxes are good, but Clegg reversed that. > > As someone put it on R4 this morning, a generation of socially liberal > Tories have met a generation of economically liberal Liberals, and > they quite like each other. They're mostly young, male, privately > educated and very similar. You might say that of the two leaders, I wouldn't say that of the rest of their parties who seem to be smiling through clenched teeth. Z
From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 13 May 2010 08:37
On 12 May, 17:29, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2010 15:50:45 +0000 (UTC), boltar2...(a)boltar.world > wrote: > > >Liberal voters should be grateful their party is going to have any power to > >influence policy given how much of an also-ran it is. > > labour 8.6m votes 258 seats > liberal 6.8m votes 57 seats > > the liberal vote is evenly spread across the country as its not the > old "tribal" pattern so they come second everywhere. > -- > Mike. .. . > Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. Good reason for PR then see my reply in scot.politics below Overall Party Seats FPTP votes % if pr Tory 306 10706647 36.1 234 Labour 258 8604358 29.0 188 Lib Dem 57 6827938 23.0 149 DUP 8 168216 0.6 4 SNP 6 491386 1.7 11 Sinn Fein 5 171942 0.6 4 Plaid Cymru 3 165394 0.6 4 SDLP 3 110970 0.4 2 Green 1 285616 1.0 6 Allaince 1 42762 0.1 1 UKIP 0 917832 3.1 20 BNP 0 563743 1.9 12 UCU 0 102361 0.3 2 ED 0 64826 0.2 1 Respect 0 33251 0.1 1 TUV 0 26300 0.1 1 CP 0 18623 0.1 0 ICHC 0 16150 0.1 0 TUSC 0 12275 0.0 0 SCP 0 3157 0.0 0 Other 1 319891 1.1 7 649 29653638 100.0 649 Scotland Party Seats FPTP votes % if pr Labour 41 1035528 42.0 25 Lib Dem 11 465471 18.9 11 SNP 6 491386 19.9 12 Tory 1 412855 16.7 10 UKIP 0 17223 0.7 0 Green 0 16827 0.7 0 BNP 0 8910 0.4 0 TUSC 0 3530 0.1 0 SSP 0 3157 0.1 0 Christian Party 0 835 0.0 0 Others 0 10000 0.4 0 59 2465722 100.0 59 |