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From: The Medway Handyman on 31 Dec 2009 09:11 Doug wrote: > On 30 Dec, 18:48, "The Medway Handyman" > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> On 30 Dec, 08:52, "The Medway Handyman" >>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Doug wrote: >>>>> On 29 Dec, 15:33, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> In article <a3cf6e72-619c-4027-aa20-5c3fc6639d01 >>>>>> @d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... >> >>>>>>>> I wonder how the residents get their food and the goods they >>>>>>>> buy.... >> >>>>>>> Shouldn't be too difficult for you to work it out. Think lifts >>>>>>> instead of cars, with trains bring the goods to the base of the >>>>>>> city. Cycles or electric buggies could be used for horizontal >>>>>>> travel at each level. >> >>>>>> Really? Any idea how many tonnes of supplied an average town gets >>>>>> through in a day? Here's a clue, its well into four figures. >>>>>> Hell, the local Tesco in Bridlington gets 200 tonnes per day of >>>>>> deliveries and its not the sole supermarket nor the sole >>>>>> recipient of goods in that town. >> >>>>>> How many bicycles and electric buggies do you think it'd take to >>>>>> move 1000 tonnes of goods per day? >> >>>>> You clearly haven't begun to grasp this concept or don't want to. >> >>>> Question neatly avoided. How would you move 1000 tonnes of good per >>>> day? >> >>> The obvious clumsily avoided by you. The same as anywhere else, fork >>> lift trucks, preferably electric. Now would you like to deal with >>> the main point that cars would no longer be needed? >> >> Electric fork lift trucks? How do the goods get to the vertical city >> in the first place? Are you a complete idiot? >> > Clearly you have a serious reading problem and are inattentive. I have > already dealt with this and the answer is 'by train'. >> >> Cars no longer needed? So how long would it take you to go from Kent >> to Corwall in an electric buggy? >> > Why would you need to when you have everything you need at hand in > your vertical city? The whole point is that it minimises the need for > harmful, excessive travel and especially car travel. Of course those > who, like yourself, seem to suffer from itinerant wander lust could > probably get suitable treatment. Presumably visitors would be greeted by an over excited dwarf shouting Ze Train, Ze Train! -- Dave - the small piece of 14th century armour used to protect the armpit.
From: Conor on 31 Dec 2009 09:35 In article <99a01906-1038-4286-912a-ee50556ff40a@ 26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... > The point about vertical cities is that there are no meaningful > distances to cover. Lifts would bring the goods up from the ground > where it is then distributed at each level by fork lift trucks. > How do the goods get from the railhead to the ground floor of each tower? So your vertical city is no more than a few hundred yards in diameter? > > I'll deal with the main point when you give me a reasonable solution to > > the 1000 tonnes per day. > > > Do stop and think for a change before posting. Already dealt with. Try > reading properly. Fantasist unworkable claptrap is all you've produced as a reply/ -- Conor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
From: Derek Geldard on 31 Dec 2009 14:19 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:56:41 -0800 (PST), Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote: >On 29 Dec, 15:34, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >> In article <b462ef2d-e0ab-4b2b-80a7-66d73c5ff245 >> @j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... >> >> >> >> > On 28 Dec, 14:15, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >> > > In article <cda4c07c-3bff-4254-a6fd-76640e37e458 >> > > @e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Mas...(a)BP.com says... >> >> > > > Another story from a long time ago, this time 16 months old. Since >> > > > then cars have killed about 4000 people. >> > > > Try and keep things into perspective. >> >> > > Since then cigarettes have killed around 150,000 people. >> > > Try to keep things in perspective. >> >> > This is about people killing other people, not people killing >> > themselves. >> >> OK, PASSIVE SMOKING kills 11,000 people per year, more than THREE TIMES >> that of cars, assuming no driver is ever killed. >> >Pollution from cars is probably much worse, given the much greater >volume of gases per vehicle compared to a cigarette. Some cars exhaust gases that are cleaner than the air that aspirates them. BRING THEM ON. Obviously, the more the better. > However, this is >obviously about people killing others DIRECTLY through physical >contact so don't try to confuse the issue as a cover for your own >harmful behaviour. Have you stopped DIRECTLY beating your wife through physical contact ? Derek
From: Doug on 1 Jan 2010 03:04 On 31 Dec 2009, 08:45, PeterG <petergra...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Dec 31, 7:13 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > On 30 Dec, 18:48, "The Medway Handyman" > > > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > Doug wrote: > > > > On 30 Dec, 08:52, "The Medway Handyman" > > > > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> Doug wrote: > > > >>> On 29 Dec, 15:33, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > > > >>>> In article <a3cf6e72-619c-4027-aa20-5c3fc6639d01 > > > >>>> @d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Doug says... > > > > >>>>>> I wonder how the residents get their food and the goods they > > > >>>>>> buy.... > > > > >>>>> Shouldn't be too difficult for you to work it out. Think lifts > > > >>>>> instead of cars, with trains bring the goods to the base of the > > > >>>>> city. Cycles or electric buggies could be used for horizontal > > > >>>>> travel at each level. > > > > >>>> Really? Any idea how many tonnes of supplied an average town gets > > > >>>> through in a day? Here's a clue, its well into four figures. Hell, > > > >>>> the local Tesco in Bridlington gets 200 tonnes per day of > > > >>>> deliveries and its not the sole supermarket nor the sole recipient > > > >>>> of goods in that town. > > > > >>>> How many bicycles and electric buggies do you think it'd take to > > > >>>> move 1000 tonnes of goods per day? > > > > >>> You clearly haven't begun to grasp this concept or don't want to. > > > > >> Question neatly avoided. How would you move 1000 tonnes of good per > > > >> day? > > > > > The obvious clumsily avoided by you. The same as anywhere else, fork > > > > lift trucks, preferably electric. Now would you like to deal with the > > > > main point that cars would no longer be needed? > > > > Electric fork lift trucks? How do the goods get to the vertical city in the > > > first place? Are you a complete idiot? > > > Clearly you have a serious reading problem and are inattentive. I have > > already dealt with this and the answer is 'by train'. > > > > Cars no longer needed? So how long would it take you to go from Kent to > > > Corwall in an electric buggy? > > > Why would you need to when you have everything you need at hand in > > your vertical city? The whole point is that it minimises the need for > > harmful, excessive travel and especially car travel. Of course those > > who, like yourself, seem to suffer from itinerant wander lust could > > probably get suitable treatment. > > > You can just imagine these verticle citys. > There you are walking along one of the internal walkways (under > artificial light) when all of a sudden an idiot on a bike charges > round the corner with no regard for pedestrians & knocks you off your > feet. > No the light comes mainly from walls of glass. Well at least there are no pavement motorists to knock holes in house walls and/or kill people. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Doug on 1 Jan 2010 03:10
On 31 Dec 2009, 11:17, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Doug wrote: > > Why would you need to when you have everything you need at hand in > > your vertical city? The whole point is that it minimises the need for > > harmful, excessive travel and especially car travel. Of course those > > who, like yourself, seem to suffer from itinerant wander lust could > > probably get suitable treatment. > > Exactly. > > Who, once enclosed in a tower block somewhere in Urban Primus, Airstrip One, > might wish to see the sea, or the countryside, let alone the Mediterranean > Sea or the Taj Mahal? > > Why would anyone sane want to see the sky? Or the rain? Visit a relative? Go > to the theatre? Play football? Go for a walk in the mountains? > > Best stay permanently indoors and do as they're told, eh? > Nope. Although most recreational activities would be catered for within the vertical city, including parks and gardens, inhabitants would still be able to catch the trains at the base to visit the places you mention. -- Car Free Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles. |