From: Adrian on
Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>> Where do we find the money to build them?

> Well the money saved on future roadbuilding would help

Very little money is spent in the UK on building new roads.

> but I guess for the time being it is down to oil-rich nations to
> pioneer them.

<cough>
Dubai, did you say?
Mmmm...

> Here is another one:
>
> "OMA design multifunctional vertical city in Rotterdam
>
> Part of an effort to regenerate the Kop van Zuid area of Rotterdam,
> these three multifunctional towers will feature space for corporate
> offices, residential apartments, a hotel, restaurants, cinema and retail
> shopping – creating a bustling vertical city that is active 24 hours a
> day..."

This could be Rotterdam or anywhere. Liverpool or Rome.
From: Doug on
On 2 Jan, 18:14, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> >> Where do we find the money to build them?
> > Well the money saved on future roadbuilding would help
>
> Very little money is spent in the UK on building new roads.
>
A lot has been spent in the past and the continuous demand for new
roads suggests that a lot will be spent in the future.
>
> > but I guess for the time being it is down to oil-rich nations to
> > pioneer them.
>
> <cough>
> Dubai, did you say?
> Mmmm...
>
Wherever. There is loads of oil money.
>
> > Here is another one:
>
> > "OMA design multifunctional vertical city in Rotterdam
>
> > Part of an effort to regenerate the Kop van Zuid area of Rotterdam,
> > these three multifunctional towers will feature space for corporate
> > offices, residential apartments, a hotel, restaurants, cinema and retail
> > shopping – creating a bustling vertical city that is active 24 hours a
> > day..."
>
> This could be Rotterdam or anywhere. Liverpool or Rome.
>
Indeed. Why build lots of tower blocks only connected by roads when
you can have an integrated vertical city needing virtually no roads or
cars? People can move around in lifts and on conveyor belts instead,
and electirc buggies and bicycles with goods moved by electric fork
lift trucks. Just think of the money saved on petrol, insurance,
parking fines, etc., and the much reduced pollution.

BTW Kingsnorth power station has been shut down by a fire. What public
protesters couldn't achieve the Gods the religious go on about have
instead. Good work Gods!

Actually it mentions there was only a skeleton staff on hand at the
time, due no doubt to the Christian Christ-Mass shut-down. Maybe that
is why there was a fire? Ironic eh?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8438204.stm

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to the vexing problem of urban automobiles.
From: Adrian on
Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>> >> Where do we find the money to build them?

>> > Well the money saved on future roadbuilding would help

>> Very little money is spent in the UK on building new roads.

> A lot has been spent in the past and the continuous demand for new roads
> suggests that a lot will be spent in the future.

You really don't have a clue about the relative sizes of these amounts of
money, do you?

>> > but I guess for the time being it is down to oil-rich nations to
>> > pioneer them.

>> <cough>
>> Dubai, did you say?
>> Mmmm...

> Wherever. There is loads of oil money.

You really don't have a clue about recent news, do you?

Clue: The cost of developing all that bling bankrupted Dubai about a
month ago.

>> > Here is another one:
>> >
>> > "OMA design multifunctional vertical city in Rotterdam
>> >
>> > Part of an effort to regenerate the Kop van Zuid area of Rotterdam,
>> > these three multifunctional towers will feature space for corporate
>> > offices, residential apartments, a hotel, restaurants, cinema and
>> > retail shopping – creating a bustling vertical city that is active 24
>> > hours a day..."

>> This could be Rotterdam or anywhere. Liverpool or Rome.

> Indeed.

Whoosh.

> Why build lots of tower blocks only connected by roads when you
> can have an integrated vertical city needing virtually no roads or cars?
> People can move around in lifts and on conveyor belts instead, and
> electirc buggies and bicycles with goods moved by electric fork lift
> trucks. Just think of the money saved on petrol, insurance, parking
> fines, etc., and the much reduced pollution.

You really don't have a clue about the pollution caused by construction,
electricity generation, the infrastructure support for such a building,
etc, etc, etc, do you?

> BTW Kingsnorth power station has been shut down by a fire. What public
> protesters couldn't achieve the Gods the religious go on about have
> instead. Good work Gods!

You did say power cuts were your preferred option - looks like they'll
happen. 2TW is a shitload of capacity to lose from the grid.
From: BrianW on
On 3 Jan, 10:44, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> >> >> Where do we find the money to build them?
> >> > Well the money saved on future roadbuilding would help
> >> Very little money is spent in the UK on building new roads.
> > A lot has been spent in the past and the continuous demand for new roads
> > suggests that a lot will be spent in the future.
>
> You really don't have a clue about the relative sizes of these amounts of
> money, do you?

Everything after the sixth word in that sentence is otiose.
From: Chris Bartram on
Doug wrote:

> Indeed. Why build lots of tower blocks only connected by roads when
> you can have an integrated vertical city needing virtually no roads or
> cars?

That's been tried.

http://www.open2.net/modernity/3_12.htm

From the web page:

"But Park Hill's problems quickly became apparent. The streets allowed
some of the worst aspects of urban life to remain (muggers found they
made convenient getaway routes), whilst failing to preserve the better
aspects."



> People can move around in lifts and on conveyor belts instead,
> and electirc buggies and bicycles with goods moved by electric fork
> lift trucks. Just think of the money saved on petrol, insurance,
> parking fines, etc., and the much reduced pollution.

What is going to generate the power for those buggies, conveyors and
forklifts?
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