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From: Alistair Gunn on 4 Jan 2010 05:21 In uk.rec.cycling PeterG twisted the electrons to say: > How 'green' would these cities be, given that there would be very > littlt natural light, also what would the heating/cooling arrangements > be? Nb: I think this whole "vertical cities" thing is about as loony as the rest of the stuff[1] posts. However the heating/cooling could be done in a reasonably 'green' way - the city is going to produce a lot of waste. Incinerate it within the city, producing some electrical power and quite a lot of heat which you then feed into a district heating system. (Or use the heat in an absorption chiller and have a district cooling network.) Heating might not be so much of a problem come to think of it? Assume an equal number of people at an equal density, then there'll be much less external surfaces to lose heat from. [1] Such as deciding that someone who hasn't owned a car in 4 years, has no plans to own a car in the future and has only made ~8 car journeys in the past 12 months as a motorist ... -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ...
From: BrianW on 4 Jan 2010 14:55 On 4 Jan, 10:21, Alistair Gunn <palmerspe...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In uk.rec.cycling PeterG twisted the electrons to say: > > > How 'green' would these cities be, given that there would be very > > littlt natural light, also what would the heating/cooling arrangements > > be? > > Nb: I think this whole "vertical cities" thing is about as loony as the > rest of the stuff[1] posts. � It's not quite as loony as his "two types of ozone" theory. Or, for that matter, his "different types of dead, depending on how you are killed" theory. Gollum is great entertainment, I'll give him that.
From: Tony Dragon on 4 Jan 2010 15:20 BrianW wrote: > On 4 Jan, 10:21, Alistair Gunn <palmerspe...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> In uk.rec.cycling PeterG twisted the electrons to say: >> >>> How 'green' would these cities be, given that there would be very >>> littlt natural light, also what would the heating/cooling arrangements >>> be? >> Nb: I think this whole "vertical cities" thing is about as loony as the >> rest of the stuff[1] posts. � > > It's not quite as loony as his "two types of ozone" theory. Or, for > that matter, his "different types of dead, depending on how you are > killed" theory. > > Gollum is great entertainment, I'll give him that. He is also the most 'rammed' cyclist in the history of the world. -- Tony Dragon
From: BrianW on 4 Jan 2010 15:35 On 4 Jan, 20:20, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > BrianW wrote: > > On 4 Jan, 10:21, Alistair Gunn <palmerspe...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> In uk.rec.cycling PeterG twisted the electrons to say: > > >>> How 'green' would these cities be, given that there would be very > >>> littlt natural light, also what would the heating/cooling arrangements > >>> be? > >> Nb: I think this whole "vertical cities" thing is about as loony as the > >> rest of the stuff[1] posts. > > > It's not quite as loony as his "two types of ozone" theory. �Or, for > > that matter, his "different types of dead, depending on how you are > > killed" theory. > > > Gollum is great entertainment, I'll give him that. > > He is also the most 'rammed' cyclist in the history of the world. Ah, but that is not his fault. Ever.
From: Doug on 5 Jan 2010 04:34
On 3 Jan, 10:44, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > >> >> Where do we find the money to build them? > >> > Well the money saved on future roadbuilding would help > >> Very little money is spent in the UK on building new roads. > > A lot has been spent in the past and the continuous demand for new roads > > suggests that a lot will be spent in the future. > > You really don't have a clue about the relative sizes of these amounts of > money, do you? > > >> > but I guess for the time being it is down to oil-rich nations to > >> > pioneer them. > >> <cough> > >> Dubai, did you say? > >> Mmmm... > > Wherever. There is loads of oil money. > > You really don't have a clue about recent news, do you? > Pot kettle. > > Clue: The cost of developing all that bling bankrupted Dubai about a > month ago. > The developers of the tower have made a handsome profiit is only the late customers who are suffering. Of course, all of this during a world-wide downturn which would not apply normally. > > >> > Here is another one: > > >> > "OMA design multifunctional vertical city in Rotterdam > > >> > Part of an effort to regenerate the Kop van Zuid area of Rotterdam, > >> > these three multifunctional towers will feature space for corporate > >> > offices, residential apartments, a hotel, restaurants, cinema and > >> > retail shopping creating a bustling vertical city that is active 24 > >> > hours a day..." > >> This could be Rotterdam or anywhere. Liverpool or Rome. > > Indeed. > > Whoosh. > What? Not my comment. Do try to learn to read properly. > > > Why build lots of tower blocks only connected by roads when you > > can have an integrated vertical city needing virtually no roads or cars? > > People can move around in lifts and on conveyor belts instead, and > > electirc buggies and bicycles with goods moved by electric fork lift > > trucks. Just think of the money saved on petrol, insurance, parking > > fines, etc., and the much reduced pollution. > > You really don't have a clue about the pollution caused by construction, > electricity generation, the infrastructure support for such a building, > etc, etc, etc, do you? > I am sure that pollution would be exceeded by years of equivalent car use. > > > BTW Kingsnorth power station has been shut down by a fire. What public > > protesters couldn't achieve the Gods the religious go on about have > > instead. Good work Gods! > > You did say power cuts were your preferred option - looks like they'll > happen. 2TW is a shitload of capacity to lose from the grid. > Hopefully. It would be so much better for consumers to learn to economise and stop energy wastage in advance instead of doing things the hard way.. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net Travel broadens the damage. |