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From: Adrian on 15 Dec 2009 04:59 Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> How much is a billion again? > UK, US or world? In the real world, there's no difference any more. The US have LONG since won that one.
From: boltar2003 on 15 Dec 2009 05:06 On 15 Dec 2009 09:59:02 GMT Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >saying: > >>> How much is a billion again? > >> UK, US or world? > >In the real world, there's no difference any more. The US have LONG since >won that one. In mathematics a billion has always been 10^9 anyway so we were on a hiding to nothing with our odd interpretation of it being 10^12. Same with a trillion. B2003
From: MasonS on 15 Dec 2009 05:50 On 15 Dec, 09:47, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > In article <a209637e-02a7-4acd-960b-70d038109c17 > @a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mas...(a)BP.com says... > > > > > On 14 Dec, 19:39, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > > > In article <d2302fb7-518a-41c2-b063-a756e2a44ba9 > > > @m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Mas...(a)BP.com says... > > > > > The cobblers about extra CO2 breathing cyclists > > > > is so laughable that one imagines bus loads of people who happen not > > > > to eat and breathe at all. > > > > So you're saying that someone cycling breathes the same volume as > > > someone sat on a bus? > > > Totally irrelevant and you know it is. > > I'm sorry, I got told that CO2 was killing the planet. The more you > breathe, the more you exhale. > OK. we'll do it in baby steps shall we? Adrian is an office bound desk worker who sits down nearly all day. Adrian's office is only 2 miles away so he cycles there in 10 minutes Conor sees Adrian breathing out CO2 and thinks this is bad. Adrian gets to his office and sits on his rear end all day. He only eats around 2000 calories a day of mainly locally sourced food, so his food miles is very low Adrian's carbon footprint is thus very low, either from fossils fuels or food - Conor thinks they are the same, so we'll pretend they are. Tom is a personal trainer and a very successful one - he is very rich. He lives in a 5 bedroom house and has an outdoor heated pool, so his energy demand is very high He works in a large gym 20 miles from his house As he likes to show off his wealth, he drives a Hummer which does 9 mpg on his stop/start commute Conor sees Tom stuck in traffic and think this is very good for the planet as Tom is not breathing very hard Tom reaches his gym and then spends 8 hours in the gym doing just that, but Conor can't see him As Tom has such a highly demanding day job, he eats 4000 calories a day This is double what Adrian eats and it's a lot of processed stuff like protein shakes -not from local sources like Adrian Tom thus has a *much larger* carbon footprint than Adrian even though in Conor's looking glass world, he cycles 4 miles a day. If you can't understand that, then there is no hope for you. -- Simon Mason
From: Adrian on 15 Dec 2009 06:06 "MasonS(a)BP.com" <MasonS(a)BP.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > OK. we'll do it in baby steps shall we? > > Adrian is an office bound desk worker who sits down nearly all day. Yes, but leave me out of the rest of it...! Anyway, if we're looking at total carbon footprint, mine's a damn sight lower than Conor's, since I've not been egocentric enough to think my genes are so special that overpopulation can be ignored...
From: Keitht on 15 Dec 2009 06:20
Conor wrote: > In article <d323cf22-2e2c-4b56-b738- > 9ec07bd7634b(a)n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, MasonS(a)BP.com says... >> On 14 Dec, 19:37, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>> In article <zcmdnRu_xP2T87vWnZ2dnUVZ8g6dn...(a)eclipse.net.uk>, Simon >>>> which means more fossil fuels will be needed to shift my ever >>>> increasing bulk on the odd occasion I drive my car. >>> I doubt a bus would notice the difference. >> Just to put the tin hat on your lack of knowledge of physics, a bus >> that that uses *no more energy* however much you increase the mass of >> its cargo! >> > I used to drive lorries. I drove them far more than you're ever likely > to cycle in your lifetime. Half a tonne extra wouldn't make any > noticable difference on performance or fuel consumption, let alone > 100kg. > > I think you missed a 'sonny-boy' there somewhere. Bless. -- Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle |