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From: Clocky on 13 Apr 2010 12:17 Clocky wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 11/04/2010 9:43 PM, Atheist Chaplain wrote: >>> "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >>> news:4bc19782$0$8828$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> On 11/04/2010 2:30 PM, Dyna Soar wrote: >>>>> D Walford wrote: >>>>>> On 11/04/2010 11:39 AM, Clocky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> The videos showing the misconduct of American soldiers can be >>>>>>> found using Google. >>>>> >>>>>> The only difference between current wars and previous wars is the >>>>>> amount of video taken by almost everyone involved. >>>>>> If I was a Commander over there the first thing I would do would >>>>>> be to make it a very serious offence for any of my men to be >>>>>> caught owning or using any sort of camera, posting a video on the >>>>>> net would be treason with very serious punishment. >>>>> >>>>> Are you aware that the video we are discussing is an official >>>>> video shot by >>>>> the chopper's on board camera, not some private movie camera? Your >>>>> comments >>>>> indicate not. And this video has been "released" almost three >>>>> years after >>>>> the event, the chances it was released by an actual participant in >>>>> the event >>>>> is so remote, I suggest it's nil. >>>> >>>> I was aware of that but the fact that a video exists at all is the >>>> difference between current and previous conflicts. >>> >>> you know they had gun cameras way back in WW2 don't you, as well as >>> cameras in the bomb sights................. >>> and they have been used ever since. >>> >> True but they were still camera's not high detail video and the >> chances of them being released to embarrass the country that took >> them would be very remote and if it did happen the person who did so >> would more than likely end up being executed for treason which is >> very different to what happens now. >> > > The media is completely and utterly controlled by the propaganda > machine and what leaks out is just the tip of the iceberg. > That has always been true, but these days of media control and > manipulation what you and I see is often nothing like what is > actually happening. http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/04/13/nine-cameraman-lynched-on-twitter-im-not-a-racist/ Enough said.
From: Kev on 14 Apr 2010 01:01 Shane wrote: > > > "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message > news:4bc122f9$0$27839$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> D Walford wrote: >>> On 10/04/2010 8:38 PM, Clocky wrote: >>>> Jason James wrote: >>>>> "Dyna Soar"<dynasoar..REMOVE..THIS..(a)ozdebate.com> wrote in message > <snip> > >>> >> >> That in no way excuses their unprofessional conduct in that video and >> others that have leaked out and are only the tip of the iceberg. >> > > When an atrocity is committed by the west it is usually the western > media that brings them unstuck. This is usually met with condemnation by > the West. When an atrocity is committed by the other side, it is usually > rejoiced by the majority and even televised on Al Jazeera for all to > enjoy. Even after taking into consideration the occupation of their land > by others, the poverty, the oppression, the lack of opportunity and > jealousy of the freedoms the west currently enjoys, these people are > still living in the Bronze Age with Bronze Age values. Those Bronze Age > texts that dictate how their lives will be lived don't allow them to > feel compassion for anyone other than themselves it seems. So I find it > hard to feel too much compassion when I see something like this occur > when I know that should the tables have been turned and multiplied by a > thousand times, the other side would be rejoicing. I believe the US does > more than enough to limit collateral damage so much so that it costs the > lives of their own on occasions. Sorry Clocky, I don't feel the same way > you do in relation to this. I get the feeling I'm not alone. Difference is Shane, Too many others feel the same way as you for completely different and more disturbing reasons Kev
From: Kev on 14 Apr 2010 01:21 Kev wrote: > Shane wrote: >> >> >> "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message >> news:4bc122f9$0$27839$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> D Walford wrote: >>>> On 10/04/2010 8:38 PM, Clocky wrote: >>>>> Jason James wrote: >>>>>> "Dyna Soar"<dynasoar..REMOVE..THIS..(a)ozdebate.com> wrote in message >> <snip> >> >>>> >>> >>> That in no way excuses their unprofessional conduct in that video >>> and others that have leaked out and are only the tip of the iceberg. >>> >> >> When an atrocity is committed by the west it is usually the western >> media that brings them unstuck. This is usually met with condemnation >> by the West. When an atrocity is committed by the other side, it is >> usually rejoiced by the majority and even televised on Al Jazeera for >> all to enjoy. Even after taking into consideration the occupation of >> their land by others, the poverty, the oppression, the lack of >> opportunity and jealousy of the freedoms the west currently enjoys, >> these people are still living in the Bronze Age with Bronze Age >> values. Those Bronze Age texts that dictate how their lives will be >> lived don't allow them to feel compassion for anyone other than >> themselves it seems. So I find it hard to feel too much compassion >> when I see something like this occur when I know that should the >> tables have been turned and multiplied by a thousand times, the other >> side would be rejoicing. I believe the US does more than enough to >> limit collateral damage so much so that it costs the lives of their >> own on occasions. Sorry Clocky, I don't feel the same way you do in >> relation to this. I get the feeling I'm not alone. > > > Difference is Shane, Too many others feel the same way as you for > completely different and more disturbing reasons > Then again maybe not so different Kev
From: Shane on 14 Apr 2010 20:26 "Kev" <kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message news:4bc55079$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > Kev wrote: >> Shane wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message >>> news:4bc122f9$0$27839$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> D Walford wrote: >>>>> On 10/04/2010 8:38 PM, Clocky wrote: >>>>>> Jason James wrote: >>>>>>> "Dyna Soar"<dynasoar..REMOVE..THIS..(a)ozdebate.com> wrote in message >>> <snip> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> That in no way excuses their unprofessional conduct in that video and >>>> others that have leaked out and are only the tip of the iceberg. >>>> >>> >>> When an atrocity is committed by the west it is usually the western >>> media that brings them unstuck. This is usually met with condemnation by >>> the West. When an atrocity is committed by the other side, it is usually >>> rejoiced by the majority and even televised on Al Jazeera for all to >>> enjoy. Even after taking into consideration the occupation of their land >>> by others, the poverty, the oppression, the lack of opportunity and >>> jealousy of the freedoms the west currently enjoys, these people are >>> still living in the Bronze Age with Bronze Age values. Those Bronze Age >>> texts that dictate how their lives will be lived don't allow them to >>> feel compassion for anyone other than themselves it seems. So I find it >>> hard to feel too much compassion when I see something like this occur >>> when I know that should the tables have been turned and multiplied by a >>> thousand times, the other side would be rejoicing. I believe the US does >>> more than enough to limit collateral damage so much so that it costs the >>> lives of their own on occasions. Sorry Clocky, I don't feel the same way >>> you do in relation to this. I get the feeling I'm not alone. >> >> >> Difference is Shane, Too many others feel the same way as you for >> completely different and more disturbing reasons >> > > Then again maybe not so different Maybe not. > > > Kev
From: Feral on 14 Apr 2010 22:44
Shane wrote: > > > "Kev" <kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message > news:4bc55079$0$24251$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >> Kev wrote: >>> Shane wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4bc122f9$0$27839$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> D Walford wrote: >>>>>> On 10/04/2010 8:38 PM, Clocky wrote: >>>>>>> Jason James wrote: >>>>>>>> "Dyna Soar"<dynasoar..REMOVE..THIS..(a)ozdebate.com> wrote in message >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That in no way excuses their unprofessional conduct in that video >>>>> and others that have leaked out and are only the tip of the iceberg. >>>>> >>>> >>>> When an atrocity is committed by the west it is usually the western >>>> media that brings them unstuck. This is usually met with >>>> condemnation by the West. When an atrocity is committed by the other >>>> side, it is usually rejoiced by the majority and even televised on >>>> Al Jazeera for all to enjoy. Even after taking into consideration >>>> the occupation of their land by others, the poverty, the oppression, >>>> the lack of opportunity and jealousy of the freedoms the west >>>> currently enjoys, these people are still living in the Bronze Age >>>> with Bronze Age values. Those Bronze Age texts that dictate how >>>> their lives will be lived don't allow them to feel compassion for >>>> anyone other than themselves it seems. So I find it hard to feel too >>>> much compassion when I see something like this occur when I know >>>> that should the tables have been turned and multiplied by a thousand >>>> times, the other side would be rejoicing. I believe the US does more >>>> than enough to limit collateral damage so much so that it costs the >>>> lives of their own on occasions. Sorry Clocky, I don't feel the same >>>> way you do in relation to this. I get the feeling I'm not alone. >>> >>> >>> Difference is Shane, Too many others feel the same way as you for >>> completely different and more disturbing reasons >>> >> >> Then again maybe not so different > > Maybe not. > >> >> >> Kev > I feel the same, but I believe the hard line secular, anti authority, anti ethnic behavior as shown by some ethnic younger generations is the result of brain washing of those same younger children when they were more susceptible. Operation Taipan should be renamed Operation Fangless until someone grows balls and gives them (the Fuzz) broader powers of arrest. eg: "Get onto the footpath please". "GAGF pig." Plonk. Get my drift? Ooops. -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ |