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From: MrBitsy on 4 May 2010 09:50 On 04/05/2010 10:29, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:52:21 +0100, MrBitsy<ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> > wrote: > > >>> The solution is to blast him with a machine gun and send him off the >>> road - permanently. >>> >> Oh dear! >> > ask a silly question, get a silly answer. > Would you prefer LOL! or maybe <grins>? My reply was in the same sentiment, so the whoosh wasn't required. -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 4 May 2010 10:07 On 04/05/2010 10:49, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 18:39:40 +0100, MrBitsy<ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> > wrote: > > >> As I said, from your description of the incident, my mind was thinking >> this guy is going right, when I was half way through reading it. >> > as would anybody, including me. Really? Why did you go on to put yourself into a dangerous place? > You are reading an account of what is > obviously going to be a problem situation, thats why you and I are not > world class comics. However, when on the road everybody passes cars on > the motorway in the next lane, they do so even more readily when they > indicate left. > This is where you are just not getting it. Everyone does indeed pass vehicles on the right, but the pass should be planned based on conditions at the time. On a clear two lane stretch with no hazards, apart from the car to be passed, it is reasonable to expect the other car to stay in lane one. However, even in this case, I will look at the driver/other occupants to try and judge if they are concentrating on the road. If I have any doubt whatsoever, I give a warning as I approach so they are aware of my presence. A car signalling left should not change the level of awareness at all! In the case of a vehicle indicating left AND driving unusually slowly, it should be apparent there may be indecision in the other driver (as there was in your case). > The point of the first threads was "look out, theres idiots about" I agree, but there are also those drivers not anticipating, thus not mitigating the poor driving of others. If you had just engaged brain for a second, you would not have had a near miss at all. > and > the second "look out, theres bad road design about" and to have a > rant. You seem to think I cannot handle situations because I happen to > have posted about them. > It is very clear you could have handled the first situation so much better. I suggest how and you get offended. > On the subject of "escape routes" you raised, how many typical > situations have viable escape routes? > ANTICIPATION stops you needing an escape route for a start. As far as escape routes are concerned, I make sure I have one at all times. I don't consider it good enough to just blindly pass a vehicle without considering escape routes. As I pass, I am looking for the first sign of a move to the right - does the driver check the mirror? Does his arms move as if to turn the wheel. Are the front wheels turning to the right? If so, I will sound a warning and get to space. On the approach to pass a vehicle I will show an audible of visual warning if I feel the other driver isn't aware of my presence. If I have done all this and the other driver has a heart attack and swerves? Well, there is sometimes nothing that can be done to mitigate acts of god. There is a risk we must all take if we want to drive. -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 4 May 2010 10:21 On 04/05/2010 10:26, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: > On Sat, 01 May 2010 19:32:38 +0100, MrBitsy<ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> > wrote: > > >> Car in lane 1 approaching a junction indicating left. The car is fast >> approaching a slower car ahead of it, that it will catch before the slip >> road You in lane 2 of 2. You observe you may pass these vehicles 100 >> yards before the slip. >> >> From this simple scenario, where is the danger and what do you do about it? >> > its obvious what you do there to anybody who takes an interest in > driving. > > Answer the question with specifics. >>> You assessment that the car was 50/50 likely to go right is blatantly >>> absurd. >>> >>> >> What is absurd to me, is that it happened to you, causing the closest >> near miss you have had, yet you continue to say it is unlikely. >> > I continue to say its unlikely because it is unlikely, ive seen it > once in 40 years. I have also seen it few times, but having seen many accidents at the side of the road, reading newsgroups, observing students on advanced driving runs, emergency ambulance documentaries, police stop type programs, you tube videos etc, I realise it happens far more than I ever thought. From that I deduct I must take steps to anticipate far more than I ever used to. > A car in L1 indicating left at a junction is giving > a lot of indications it will go left or at worst ahead, your idea its > 50/50 likely to go "right" is not supported by observation over 40 > years, I doubt many would do differently that me (pass it in the next > lane) as they would for a car in L1 *not* indicating, do you do > otherwiise? > That is a common mistake made by many drivers - it hasn't happened to me so it is unlikely to happen. Drivers who do not actually crash, also assume it is because they are a great driver, never realising luck has played a part. I always assume drivers are not going to do what there intentions show > I am now unclear on your position on crash barriers, you said at first > that you adjust your driving between crash barriers/no crash barriers, > later you say you do not assume a crash barrier protects you so you do > *not* adjust your driving. This seems contradictory. (I take no > account of the presence of crash barriers, they are a passive safety > device installed at the descretion of highway authorities, I'm hardly > going to drive recklessly just because they are there). > No, but I pay more attention to opposite direction traffic if they are NOT there. -- MrBitsy
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 4 May 2010 10:53 On Tue, 04 May 2010 14:49:15 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >Your more dangerous plan was to have your nearest near miss you have >ever had, while using half of lane three to avoid him. perfectly adequate in the very rare circumstance. I knew the lane was empty, whats the problem, how about answering all the questions you are ignoring? -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 4 May 2010 10:53
On Tue, 04 May 2010 15:07:50 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >This is where you are just not getting it. Everyone does indeed pass >vehicles on the right, but the pass should be planned based on >conditions at the time. On a clear two lane stretch with no hazards, >apart from the car to be passed, it is reasonable to expect the other >car to stay in lane one. even more so if indicating left and at a junction. I see you are still ignoring all my questions about the current thread. > However, even in this case, I will look at the >driver/other occupants to try and judge if they are concentrating on the >road. If I have any doubt whatsoever, I give a warning as I approach so >they are aware of my presence. you sound tbhe horn as you pass cars on the motorway? >A car signalling left should not change the level of awareness at all! >In the case of a vehicle indicating left AND driving unusually slowly, >it should be apparent there may be indecision in the other driver (as >there was in your case). >> The point of the first threads was "look out, theres idiots about" >I agree, but there are also those drivers not anticipating, thus not >mitigating the poor driving of others. If you had just engaged brain >for a second, you would not have had a near miss at all. >> and >> the second "look out, theres bad road design about" and to have a >> rant. You seem to think I cannot handle situations because I happen to >> have posted about them. >> >It is very clear you could have handled the first situation so much >better. I suggest how and you get offended. now make suggestions as requested for the current thread. You have ignored all my questions. >> On the subject of "escape routes" you raised, how many typical >> situations have viable escape routes? >> >ANTICIPATION stops you needing an escape route for a start. As far as >escape routes are concerned, I make sure I have one at all times. you cannot, there are often no escape routes. >I don't consider it good enough to just blindly pass a vehicle without >considering escape routes. As I pass, I am looking for the first sign >of a move to the right - does the driver check the mirror? Does his arms >move as if to turn the wheel. Are the front wheels turning to the >right? If so, I will sound a warning and get to space. On the approach >to pass a vehicle I will show an audible of visual warning if I feel the >other driver isn't aware of my presence. so do I, thats why the individual in question didnt get to hit me. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |