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From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 08:49 "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message news:6b6dnc6-3ajQ5UTWnZ2dnUVZ8hz_fwAA(a)giganews.com... > On 29/04/2010 00:06, Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >> news:gYudna4X-O6nM0XWnZ2dnUVZ7tVi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> On 28/04/2010 19:14, Brimstone wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:3Kidnfx4eLx85EXWnZ2dnUVZ8hEAAAAA(a)giganews.com... >>>>> On 28/04/2010 18:20, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:50:58 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >>>>>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You were complaining how one particular junction creates problems >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you, because of the poor driving of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>> lets remove your inventions from this - I said I observed a badly >>>>>> designed junction causing problems for others on a fairly regular >>>>>> basis, you invented that I couldn't cope with it. You should write a >>>>>> novel. >>>>>> >>>>> I didn't say you couldn't cope with it. I did say this is the second >>>>> post, where you point out how others are making it difficult for you. >>>>> >>>> Says the man who refuses to move into L2 on a motorway to allow someone >>>> else to join the road. >>>> >>> Get your facts straight. >>> >> OK. Advises the person he's teaching to drive not to move to L2. >> >> Same meat, different gravy. >> > Seeing the results of not anticipating is a great lesson - he passed his > test first time and has no incidents in the seven years since. Sometimes, > a young driver needs to SEE rather than just be told. > Your pupil's driving is not the issue, yours is.
From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 08:50 "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message news:6b6dnc--3ahX6kTWnZ2dnUVZ8hxi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > On 29/04/2010 00:09, Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >> news:-cydnfY0qcGiMkXWnZ2dnUVZ7qKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> On 28/04/2010 19:55, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:09:35 +0100, MrBitsy<ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I didn't say you couldn't cope with it. >>>>> >>>> thats progress then >>>> >>>> >>>>> I did say this is the second >>>>> post, where you point out how others are making it difficult for you. >>>>> >>>> In the first thread a driver did something ridiculous, that hardly >>>> makes life easier. >>> No, it doesn't, but you missed clues it MAY happen. You didn't see those >>> clues. Soon as someone points them out, the defensive arguments flood >>> in. >>>> In this second thread, inadequate road design makes >>>> life more dangerous for everyone by introducing a hazard that could >>>> have been designed out. Some drivers cope, some do not. You are >>>> concluding that because I relate observations from my daily driving, I >>>> cannot deal with the issues I describe. >>>> >>> I didn't say you couldn't cope. I said this was the second thread where >>> you say everyone else caused issues for you. As in the first thread, >>> you do not say what you could do differently. >>> >> There have been other occasions when you have made similar comments about >> someone's driving, and when asked "what should he have done" you have >> been unable to provide useful guidance. >> >> It's disappointing that you appear not to have learnt from that >> experience. >> > I have nothing to say about his driving in this thread, only that it > always appears to be other peoples fault in his posts. > Again, same meat different gravy.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 29 Apr 2010 10:00 On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:12:56 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >I have nothing to say about his driving in this thread, only that it >always appears to be other peoples fault in his posts. indicating left, turning right *was* other drivers fault. designing a bad junction isn't my fault either. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 29 Apr 2010 10:16 On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:34:49 +0100, MrBitsy <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote: >Why try to help no answer then. >> You are in a queue of traffic, >> you need to reach 50 or so from the lights to blend in to the >> "motorway". I cannot control what the driver behind does, >Yes, there are things you can do to influence the driver behind. what do you suggest in this scenario? >> I cannot control what the driver in front does, the only optional aspect I have >> are my following distance which I obviously keep generous, if the >> driver in front slows to 30 and hesitates because he is fooled by the >> *inadequate road design* I can hardly drive into him, I have to slow >> too, that exposes me to people behind who are driving too close and >> looking behind them while ignoring what's in front and also having to >> merge at insufficient speed with a "rolling roadblock" of a car >> dithering half in lane , half on the shoulder in front of me. >> >Again, everyone else is making mistakes and there is nothing you can >do. Ask yourself some questions... There you go again, I reported how bad road design leads to errors in peoples driving, you interpret that as I'm getting it wrong in *my* driving. As I was not involved in any incident, how is that so? >My primary reason for reading this group is road safety. I ignore most >threads, concentrating on those that may help me refine my own approach >to driving. I tend to agree, that and arseing about :-) >In the first thread, I imagined I was on that section of >road (which I know well), and what I could do differently to how you >dealt with it. I thought about the clues you saw and how you >interpreted them. My reply to you was to pass on my interpretation and >thought process in dealing with the scenario. you could have put it a lot better. >No, not a fault, but how the situation could have been approached >differently. It was not your fault that a driver turned right when >indicating left, but from your description of the event there was more >you could have done to make the situation far less dangerous for you. we never discussed that because you insisted it was a scenario of "very poor anticipation" which is bolox because 95% of the clues indicated the vehicle would turn left or at least carry on. >> Mostly I would agree that hazardous >> situations are easily neutralized by driving skills, but sometimes >> they are not and road design decides the danger level, another example >> being the hazard of oncoming cars crossing centre reservations, a >> danger best controlled by the fitting of crash barriers, not defensive >> driving. >> >Driving can be dangerous and no one driver can mitigate everything on >the road, I agree. However, how would your driving change if you are on >a road with no central barrier? My driving would change. The point was that road design (in this case barriers) helps mitigate dangers like vehicles jumping the central reservation, why else do you think the authorities experiment with different types of barrier? The barriers will be more effective than the little drivers can do in that situation. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: MrBitsy on 29 Apr 2010 12:26
On 29/04/2010 13:49, Brimstone wrote: > > > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message > news:6b6dnc6-3ajQ5UTWnZ2dnUVZ8hz_fwAA(a)giganews.com... >> On 29/04/2010 00:06, Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> >>> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >>> news:gYudna4X-O6nM0XWnZ2dnUVZ7tVi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> On 28/04/2010 19:14, Brimstone wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch(a)infinity.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:3Kidnfx4eLx85EXWnZ2dnUVZ8hEAAAAA(a)giganews.com... >>>>>> On 28/04/2010 18:20, ChelseaTractorMan wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:50:58 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >>>>>>> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You were complaining how one particular junction creates >>>>>>>> problems for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you, because of the poor driving of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> lets remove your inventions from this - I said I observed a badly >>>>>>> designed junction causing problems for others on a fairly regular >>>>>>> basis, you invented that I couldn't cope with it. You should >>>>>>> write a >>>>>>> novel. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't say you couldn't cope with it. I did say this is the >>>>>> second post, where you point out how others are making it >>>>>> difficult for you. >>>>>> >>>>> Says the man who refuses to move into L2 on a motorway to allow >>>>> someone else to join the road. >>>>> >>>> Get your facts straight. >>>> >>> OK. Advises the person he's teaching to drive not to move to L2. >>> >>> Same meat, different gravy. >>> >> Seeing the results of not anticipating is a great lesson - he passed >> his test first time and has no incidents in the seven years since. >> Sometimes, a young driver needs to SEE rather than just be told. >> > Your pupil's driving is not the issue, yours is. > > > Go on... -- MrBitsy |