New FG falcons rusting already!
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From: Noddy on 26 Sep 2009 19:56 "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:94dd38b8-c1d7-4824-b6bb-d01756569d1e(a)w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > I look carefully - yup - none. Bullshit. The likelihood of *any* 20 year old tin bodied vehicle not having *some* rust is extremely remote unless it's never spent a day outdoors, and the chances of someone such as yourself ending up being the owner of such a vehicle are even worse still. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: the_dawggie on 26 Sep 2009 20:33 On Sep 27, 10:24 am, "Noddy" <m...(a)home.com> wrote: > Hmmm.... I'll have to disagree with you :) If it rusts within a year it is in no class of _ANY_ vehicle and belongs in a metal shredder. Full stop. -- Kipland.
From: D Walford on 26 Sep 2009 20:53 Noddy wrote: > "Dan----.-" <HsvtourerR8PhantomM6(a)car.com> wrote in message > news:0046f0e8$0$2905$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11269223&page=1 >> >> Oh well I shouldn't be surprised our Territory was suffering with metal >> cancer as well until it had a prang. > > Typical Ford. All the "talk" from the CEO about "listening to the complaints > of Territory buyers" and "doing something about it" is just standard > bullshit as usual. > > If & when they disappear up their own arseholes they'll have no one but > themselves to blame. Have they fixed the rust and other problems with the new model? Its crazy if they haven't as none of the problems are unfixable or expense to prevent. All vehicles can have problem when first released but its inexcusable to not stop those problems occurring once they are well known. Daryl
From: the_dawggie on 26 Sep 2009 21:30 On Sep 27, 10:53 am, D Walford <dwalf...(a)internode.on.net> wrote: > Noddy wrote: > > "Dan----.-" <HsvtourerR8Phanto...(a)car.com> wrote in message > >news:0046f0e8$0$2905$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >>http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11269223&page=1 > > >> Oh well I shouldn't be surprised our Territory was suffering with metal > >> cancer as well until it had a prang. > > > Typical Ford. All the "talk" from the CEO about "listening to the complaints > > of Territory buyers" and "doing something about it" is just standard > > bullshit as usual. > > > If & when they disappear up their own arseholes they'll have no one but > > themselves to blame. > > Have they fixed the rust and other problems with the new model? > Its crazy if they haven't as none of the problems are unfixable or > expense to prevent. > All vehicles can have problem when first released but its inexcusable to > not stop those problems occurring once they are well known. > > Daryl I can't say my 'lux is perfect I had to make a few mods, then a few more mods - now it is. Never rusted. Inexusable is the correct term. -- Kipland.
From: Noddy on 26 Sep 2009 21:59
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:02cea6c5$0$20667$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Have they fixed the rust and other problems with the new model? Not as far as I'm aware. I was at a home show a few months ago looking for kitchen ideas when they had a current model Territory on display, and I walked around to the open rear door and peeled away the rubber and there was the bare unpainted couple of inch section of body seam that's been rusting on all the previous models. > Its crazy if they haven't as none of the problems are unfixable or expense > to prevent. I think their attitude is one of them believing it's cheaper to continue on their merry way with the known problems and deal with those customers who *might* complain at some future point rather than modifiy their building practices and eliminate the problems completely. They seem to be under some misguided belief that ojnly a small percentage of buyers have a problem with their vehicles, and if that's the case then they're the only ones who believe that. > All vehicles can have problem when first released but its inexcusable to > not stop those problems occurring once they are well known. It is indeed. As far as I'm concerned, part of the problem stems from the fact that, like everything else, research and development has become a hideously expensive part of making cars, and there's the ever increasing desire to see a return on their outlay for bringing out each new model. To that end, a lot of manufacturers now "simulate" testing in that the car's "burn in" period is simulated on a computer rather than done in real time with a real car as it's not only quicker but significantly cheaper. The real problem with that of course is that the "computer testing" is limited by what the programmers allow it to look for, and it can only return results based on the failure models the programmers imagine would be possible. This is precisely why we had that *huge* and embarrassing clutch failure with the Typhoon some time ago. The clutch assembly was computer modelled and tested and the program was keyed to look for significant and unexpected failures, but it didn't find any. However, it missed an incredibly basic fault that could have been discovered in ten minutes with "regular" physical real time testing, and it actually was as soon as a couple of journalists drove the cars :) As far as I'm aware, the only two major changes to the current Territory have both been to rectify faults: One being the fitting of longer front brake hoses (which has been a recall that's been made retrospective to all Territorys) and the other being a redesign of the front end to cure a *massive* ball joint failure problem that sees the front suspension collapse and control of the car lost. All of the other faults (which are quality issues and there are many) still exist. Including the rust problems. -- Regards, Noddy. |