From: Noddy on

"Clocky" <nicetry(a)migo.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think you actually do.

Only in as much as the way it's put together. Driving it or the styling of
it doesn't give me any feeling of it being agricultural.

> It's not the concept or design but lack of finesse and quality of the end
> product that I find agricultural.

Fair enough. In that case we *do* agree then :)

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Regards,
Noddy.


From: D Walford on
Je´┐Żus wrote:
> In article <02ce8a7d$0$20634$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
> dwalford(a)internode.on.net said...
> :
> :They must have changed their production techniques for a cheaper option
> :because rust hasn't been a problem with locally made Ford's until recently.
> :Seems a stupid way to cut costs, rust in a late model vehicle isn't
> :going to make for return business.
> :Ford seem to be going out of their way to spoil the Territory which
> :despite its faults is still one of the best vehicles designed in this
> :country for many years.
>
> IMO Fords have always rusted quicker than Holdens, or at least have so
> since the XD was released anyway.

I had an XD and a VK at the same time and neither had any rust to worry
about.
Quite a few Ford's (2 EF's, EA, NC11 Fairlane and an ED owned by
youngest son's girlfriend) in our family over the years and no rust on
any of them so I don't know what you mean.
Rustiest vehicle I've ever owned was a Toyota, 79 BJ40 Landcruiser was
full of cancer when I bought it (nothing structural), panel beater mate
of BIL did a great job getting rid of the rust and repainting it, a
little bit of rust had returned when I sold it 4yrs later but it still
looked quite reasonable.


Daryl
From: Noddy on

"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> All Ford body shells used to go through several dip processes which should
> stop such problems, maybe the jig that holds the shell is fixed in the
> spot that rusts so it misses out on being treated but it still wouldn't be
> difficult to coat that area afterwards.

No, it wouldn't, and that's exactly what the problem is.

The rust areas on the Territory are those where the body is held in it's jig
for painting, and those areas held by the jog miss out on getting any paint.
Ford knows all about it, but they're not generally concerned as when the car
is finished you don't normally see them. They have other problems in that
only the outside of the car and the inside of the doorjambs get top coated.
The whole under bonnet area and underside only get base coat and undercoat,
and as they offer less weather protection ability than topcoat these areas
will most definitely cause problems in years to come.

None of the mechanical components are painted *at all*, and it's not
uncommon to see engine blocks, tailshafts, front and rear suspension
components or differentials coloured in a nice shade of rustic brown when
the car is less than a few weeks old.

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Regards,
Noddy.


From: Noddy on

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My 'lux has no such problems.

What, you mean apart from being driven around for ages with fucked brakes
and a slipping clutch?

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Regards,
Noddy.


From: D Walford on
Noddy wrote:
> "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:00488940$0$26873$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>
>> All Ford body shells used to go through several dip processes which should
>> stop such problems, maybe the jig that holds the shell is fixed in the
>> spot that rusts so it misses out on being treated but it still wouldn't be
>> difficult to coat that area afterwards.
>
> No, it wouldn't, and that's exactly what the problem is.
>
> The rust areas on the Territory are those where the body is held in it's jig
> for painting, and those areas held by the jog miss out on getting any paint.
> Ford knows all about it, but they're not generally concerned as when the car
> is finished you don't normally see them. They have other problems in that
> only the outside of the car and the inside of the doorjambs get top coated.
> The whole under bonnet area and underside only get base coat and undercoat,
> and as they offer less weather protection ability than topcoat these areas
> will most definitely cause problems in years to come.
>
> None of the mechanical components are painted *at all*, and it's not
> uncommon to see engine blocks, tailshafts, front and rear suspension
> components or differentials coloured in a nice shade of rustic brown when
> the car is less than a few weeks old.

Sounds cheap, my nephew recently ordered an XR6 ute so I'll have a good
look at it when he picks it up.
Interesting that he has to wait about 8 weeks because dealers have very
little stock and cars are built to order.


Daryl
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