From: Dave Head on
On 27 Jun 2010 17:51:25 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
>> Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net>
>>>Well, yeah, but that's another challenge. Why not just get rid of the
>>>tax that is chasing all our jobs overseas as a first step? That would
>>>eventually solve the illegal alien problem because we'd eventually
>>>have so much economic activity that we could employ 'em all... and tax
>>>them too... and after that our economy would just keep growing. We
>>>could throw open the gates to immigration again, and eventuallly we'd
>>>have so many of those - immigrants - that we could employ them too and
>>>tax them too.
>>
>>Do you really believe the illegal alien problem is about jobs? Or
>>even about the illegal immigrants? I don't.
>
>Neither do I.
>
>I think it's aboout race.

Not with me. I don't give a rip - I don't want ANY of 'em here
whether they're from Mexico or Russia or Isreal or etc UNLESS they're
here legally.

I have a plan... pass the Fair Tax, the American economy takes off,
probably puts EVERY American citizen that wants a job to work within
maybe 10 years, THEN we can start employing the illegals. Get all
THEM making good monies in factories that are here instead of Mexico
or Korea or Canada, and THEN, when we've used up all the illegals and
the business folks that are getting rich manufacturing in the USA are
still building factories, open immigration to unlimited status. IOW
if you want to come and BECOME A CITIZEN, then great - come ahead, we
have a job for you, and hope you work hard and have a good life.

Once we get maybe 500 million people in the USA and most of 'em
working, then there should be enough tax money to afford a few things
the gov't might like to do, like pay off the National Debt. That will
save our descendants from a life of poverty that appears to be what
they're headed for due to the gov't's (and OUR) irresponsible
spending.


From: lil abner on
Dave Head wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:42:41 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:52:48 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You sound like they guys on Fox News. Eliminate the minimum wage? You
>>> want people working for $0.25/hr or what? That's what would happen,
>>> and would hasten the descent into a country with only the very very
>>> rich and the very very poor and nobody in between.
>> Lots of entry level jobs (McDonalds) pay more than minimum wage.
>> Supply and demand won't drop the wage to less than what people are
>> willing to work for.
>
> Yeah, sure, but with the illegal aliens not being done anything about,
> the labor supply for that sort of job is just going to get bigger and
> bigger, while the available jobs aren't going to increase, and indeed
> may decrease. There would be a reality, eventually, of "accept this
> job or starve." No, 25 cents an hour is hyperbole, but I would expect
> it to get D cheap - $2/hr? Maybe.
>
> And if the jobs available are going to be paying above the minimum
> wage anyway, what reason is there to reapeal the minimum wage? Why
> bother?
>
> What I'm fairly certain of is that vasts pools of really poor people
> would be created by repealing the minimum wage. I mean SERIOUSLY poor
> people. Even with the minimum wage being what it is now, they're
> still poor, but without it, they're going to be "emergency" poor, in
> that anything that happens to them is going to be an emergency for us
> - to pay for it - cuz they can't, and we don't let people starve or
> die of something a hospital can do something about.
>
> There is just NO advantage to having hoardes of poor people in our
> midst, and I think repealing the minimum wage would create them.
True. Business etc says it won't or can't happen but this is what is
envisioned by the new world Corporate Owners etc. They have no loyalty
to America but many hold contempt. We are becoming a colony to Wall Street.
From: Ray Fischer on
Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:42:41 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:52:48 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You sound like they guys on Fox News. Eliminate the minimum wage? You
>>>want people working for $0.25/hr or what? That's what would happen,
>>>and would hasten the descent into a country with only the very very
>>>rich and the very very poor and nobody in between.
>>
>>Lots of entry level jobs (McDonalds) pay more than minimum wage.
>>Supply and demand won't drop the wage to less than what people are
>>willing to work for.
>
>Yeah, sure, but with the illegal aliens not being done anything about,

Who told you that lie? The US deported hundreds of thousands of
people every year. In addition to thousands of border patrol agents
the Bush administration spent billions on a border fence.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers on
On Jun 27, 8:49 am, "Bobster" <bobs...(a)nospam.com> wrote:

>
> In Detroit you could buy an entire block of houses on $14/hr.- Hide quoted text -
>

Detroit is a third world city. That's what happens when a city is 82%
black. They don't have the techncial knowhow to run a modern city.
That's why all of africa is third world.
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are Murderers on
On Jun 25, 8:00 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
with all the illegals, low pay, etc. etc.
>
> We're on track for an economic train wreck, with full cooperation and
> advocacy of the gov't, who will be glad to pick up the pieces and
> institute sweeping socialism to save us from simply starving.  In the
> end, we should have a country of the very, very rich and the very,
> very poor, and nobody in between.
>

That's what happened in argentina 10 years ago.
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