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From: Howard Brazee on 27 Jun 2010 16:38 On 27 Jun 2010 17:51:25 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>Do you really believe the illegal alien problem is about jobs? Or >>even about the illegal immigrants? I don't. > >Neither do I. > >I think it's aboout race. Or at least culture. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Ray Fischer on 27 Jun 2010 17:45 Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >>>Do you really believe the illegal alien problem is about jobs? Or >>>even about the illegal immigrants? I don't. >> >>Neither do I. >> >>I think it's aboout race. > >Or at least culture. That's more accurate. It's a classic example of cultural xenophobia. The fact that Hispanics are brown just makes it easier to identify the enemy. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Nate Nagel on 27 Jun 2010 18:39 On 06/27/2010 05:45 PM, Ray Fischer wrote: > Howard Brazee<howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >> rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >>>> Do you really believe the illegal alien problem is about jobs? Or >>>> even about the illegal immigrants? I don't. >>> >>> Neither do I. >>> >>> I think it's aboout race. >> >> Or at least culture. > > That's more accurate. It's a classic example of cultural xenophobia. > The fact that Hispanics are brown just makes it easier to identify the > enemy. > Enemy hell, I don't want the jobs that I see most Hispanics doing. And if any of them want my job, well, they just have to do it better than I. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Dave Head on 27 Jun 2010 20:00 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:45:15 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:55:34 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> >wrote: > >>>Do you really believe the illegal alien problem is about jobs? Or >>>even about the illegal immigrants? I don't. >> >>Why do YOU think they come here, then? They keep SAYING they only >>want to work. Of course, now there is the people that live along the >>border that are getting screwed by the drug cartels, but they could >>also just move deeper into Mexico to avoid that, if they wanted to, >>but not as effectively as they could by coming here. But I think that >>it is mostly about the money. > >That's why they come - but that's not why they are resented. And if >there were twice as many jobs Americans don't want, and there were >twice as many foreigners taking those jobs, the resentment would be >bigger. There aren't ANY jobs that Americans don't want. Saw a labor department official on a talk show last year address this very subject. She said that there are NO job categories in this country where illegal aliens outnumber American citizens. >The illegal alien problem isn't about some illegal taking the job I >wanted. Maybe not the job you wanted, but the job some poor schmuck with a 78 IQ and a body the rival of Arnold, that can work a labor job all day aid go dancing at night, wanted. Yeah, there's lots of those. No every American can retrain to do PSA tests in a lab somewhere and make good money. They need those labor jobs, and the illegal aliens all to often have them.
From: Dave Head on 27 Jun 2010 21:20
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:42:41 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:52:48 -0400, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> >wrote: > >>You sound like they guys on Fox News. Eliminate the minimum wage? You >>want people working for $0.25/hr or what? That's what would happen, >>and would hasten the descent into a country with only the very very >>rich and the very very poor and nobody in between. > >Lots of entry level jobs (McDonalds) pay more than minimum wage. >Supply and demand won't drop the wage to less than what people are >willing to work for. Yeah, sure, but with the illegal aliens not being done anything about, the labor supply for that sort of job is just going to get bigger and bigger, while the available jobs aren't going to increase, and indeed may decrease. There would be a reality, eventually, of "accept this job or starve." No, 25 cents an hour is hyperbole, but I would expect it to get D cheap - $2/hr? Maybe. And if the jobs available are going to be paying above the minimum wage anyway, what reason is there to reapeal the minimum wage? Why bother? What I'm fairly certain of is that vasts pools of really poor people would be created by repealing the minimum wage. I mean SERIOUSLY poor people. Even with the minimum wage being what it is now, they're still poor, but without it, they're going to be "emergency" poor, in that anything that happens to them is going to be an emergency for us - to pay for it - cuz they can't, and we don't let people starve or die of something a hospital can do something about. There is just NO advantage to having hoardes of poor people in our midst, and I think repealing the minimum wage would create them. |