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From: Nate Nagel on 1 Apr 2010 22:04 On 04/01/2010 09:35 PM, Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire<GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in > news:bqqdnTzrbYBc3SjWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> boyari2 wrote: >>> It's the original muscle car that spawned all the other imitators, >>> isn't it? >>> >>> >>> http://surftofind.com/car >> >> >> >> Whatta joke... >> >> Studebaker was there before anyone else in 1962. >> >> Do some worthwhile research regarding the "Avanti." >> > > > Phooey on the Avanti. Go back to 1958. > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel> Well, if you want to play that game, you could also argue for the '55 Chrysler 300, '56 Studebaker Golden Hawk, or '57 Chevy (remember when a brand had only one basic body style?) with the fuel injected 283/283. Of course by '57 there were lots of players in the horsepower game. (both Ford and Studebaker were offering supercharged engines from the factory in '57... yes really!) I guess the Chevy really doesn't count though because at least the definition of a "muscle car" that seems to fit most cars that qualify is that it's a smaller body style with an engine from a larger chassis shoved into it and possibly hopped up in the process, and the Chevy was considered to be a "full-sized" car with no larger option. Now if they'd used a warmed up Caddy engine or something like that... By that definition the Golden Hawk comes the closest to fitting, being a Studebaker "sports hardtop" body that was originally designed for a Stude 232 but with the big Packard 352 V-8 shoehorned into the engine bay. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Nick Naim on 1 Apr 2010 23:28 "boyari2" <boyari2(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2008b48e-5e66-4dbb-8416-f5e14c810fcb(a)35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > It's the original muscle car that spawned all the other imitators, > isn't it? Nope.............. The Volkswagen beetle was the fastest off the line back then. > > > http://surftofind.com/car
From: Frank ess on 1 Apr 2010 23:40 Nate Nagel wrote: > On 04/01/2010 09:35 PM, Tegger wrote: >> Grumpy AuContraire<GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in >> news:bqqdnTzrbYBc3SjWnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d(a)giganews.com: >> >>> boyari2 wrote: >>>> It's the original muscle car that spawned all the other >>>> imitators, isn't it? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://surftofind.com/car >>> >>> >>> >>> Whatta joke... >>> >>> Studebaker was there before anyone else in 1962. >>> >>> Do some worthwhile research regarding the "Avanti." >>> >> >> >> Phooey on the Avanti. Go back to 1958. >> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel> > > Well, if you want to play that game, you could also argue for the > '55 Chrysler 300, '56 Studebaker Golden Hawk, or '57 Chevy > (remember when a brand had only one basic body style?) with the > fuel injected 283/283. > Of course by '57 there were lots of players in the horsepower game. > (both Ford and Studebaker were offering supercharged engines from > the factory in '57... yes really!) > > I guess the Chevy really doesn't count though because at least the > definition of a "muscle car" that seems to fit most cars that > qualify is that it's a smaller body style with an engine from a > larger chassis shoved into it and possibly hopped up in the > process, and the Chevy was considered to be a "full-sized" car with > no larger option. Now if > they'd used a warmed up Caddy engine or something like that... By > that definition the Golden Hawk comes the closest to fitting, being > a Studebaker "sports hardtop" body that was originally designed for > a > Stude 232 but with the big Packard 352 V-8 shoehorned into the > engine bay. > > nate I seem to remember the Buick Century from 1953 or 1954 ...
From: Hank on 2 Apr 2010 00:03 In article <ucqdnfNqqcmG-ijWnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Frank ess <frank(a)fshe2fs.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> Studebaker was there before anyone else in 1962. >>>> >>>> Do some worthwhile research regarding the "Avanti." >>>> I think you're a bit late when talking about "hot" Studebakers. The 1951-52 Commander weren't too sleeply, and the '53 was even better. That's with a little Studie V-8. They shoved a 352 Packard engine in the Golden Hawk in '56, which was more "muscle car" in that it would go fast in a straight line, but going around corners was a bit hazy >>> >>> >>> Phooey on the Avanti. Go back to 1958. >>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambler_Rebel> >> >> Well, if you want to play that game, you could also argue for the >> '55 Chrysler 300, '56 Studebaker Golden Hawk, or '57 Chevy >> (remember when a brand had only one basic body style?) with the >> fuel injected 283/283. >> Of course by '57 there were lots of players in the horsepower game. >> (both Ford and Studebaker were offering supercharged engines from >> the factory in '57... yes really!) >> >> I guess the Chevy really doesn't count though because at least the >> definition of a "muscle car" that seems to fit most cars that >> qualify is that it's a smaller body style with an engine from a >> larger chassis shoved into it and possibly hopped up in the >> process, and the Chevy was considered to be a "full-sized" car with >> no larger option. Now if >> they'd used a warmed up Caddy engine or something like that... By >> that definition the Golden Hawk comes the closest to fitting, being >> a Studebaker "sports hardtop" body that was originally designed for >> a >> Stude 232 but with the big Packard 352 V-8 shoehorned into the >> engine bay. >> >> nate > >I seem to remember the Buick Century from 1953 or 1954 ... Well, shove you memory about the Buick Century back to 1936. If you want to define a "muscle car" as a big engine in a light body, that was the original Century, Then you can look at the 1949-50 Olds 88. Making that car wasn't the original plan---they were going to offer a 6-cyl in the GM A body and the V-8 only in the C body (98). Until somebody figured out that a 303 CID V-8 might put a bit of serious performance into the Olds product line. And nobody here has yet mentioned the Hudson Hornet, which cleaned everybody's clock in stock car races for years. In 1967, when those Mustangs were new, I was driving a 1965 Buick Riviera, and the Mustang didn't interest me in the least. Hank
From: Jim Warman on 2 Apr 2010 03:28
Cool car? Yep... I'm on my third Mustang - how I wish I'd kept the others... especially the 64 and a half.... Spawned anything? Pony cars yes... But here's muscle http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1964-ford-fairlane-thunderbolt.htm "boyari2" <boyari2(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2008b48e-5e66-4dbb-8416-f5e14c810fcb(a)35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > It's the original muscle car that spawned all the other imitators, > isn't it? > > > http://surftofind.com/car |