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From: Jim Yanik on 19 May 2010 00:17
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote in
news:4BF35BEF.9A1327BF(a)Hovnanian.com:

> Its been done. A badge on the vehicle that says "Diesel".
>

I suspect diesels get stolen,too,if only for collision repair parts.
Or their custom wheels/tires,fancy sound,video,or nav systems.

To design a theft-proof vehicle,you first need to have it so it can't be
towed.
Thieves can tow away a car (commercial tow trucks have been used by
thieves)and then have lots of time to work on it,or break it up for parts.
Perhaps a "lowrider" suspension that can sit the entire body on the
ground,so no tow bar or jack can get under the vehicle,no chains could be
attached to drag it up a flatbed.
Additional benefits;
no Denver Boot can be applied to the wheels if you park in the wrong place.
also,it's wheels cannot be stolen if the car can't be jacked up.

Then you have to defeat starting the vehicle.
Immobilizer codes programmed into the engine computer help a lot,but can be
defeated by bringing your own matched ECU and programmed cheater key.
Hidden fuel cutoff switches are also effective. Removing some critical part
works,too.

then you still have to worry about break-ins and theft of your
seats,radios,nav systems,other accessories and valuables.
You need a method of securely locking the doors,so that a slimjim,dent
puller,or jiggle key will not work. Electric door locks,AFAIK,still use the
levers and rods that slimjims manipulate to unlock the door.

But smashing a window would still allow access. Tint films make it harder
to get through a side window,but they still can peel out the whole window.
That seems to be the last weak point.You'd have to replace the side glass
with unbreakable glass,and that is probably against some law.

So,then you need some method to keep the thieves OUT of the vehicle after
they gain access. Some people have installed extremely loud alarms on the
INSIDE of their vehicles,so that it deafens or causes pain if you're inside
the car. I'd rig it so there has to be someone in a seat for the alarm to
run. Downside is any falsing while YOU are in the car...OUCH!

Maybe a smoke generator to fill up the interior and scare the thieves.
I'd suggest a peppergas or dyefog system,but it would stain the upholstery.
Or instead of smoke,flood the interior with an inert gas that would prevent
breathing. The thieves would have to exit the vehicle or die. It wouldn't
last long,though. Maybe a barf or choking gas would be better.
then there's my idea of wiring a stun gun's output to wires woven into the
front seats so that anyone sitting in them gets a paralyzing charge.
Downside is that it might cause them to lose bladder and bowel control,and
your seats would need replacing/reupholstering,and interior deodorized.

that might be worth it,though... B-)
you might even get to catch them before they could recover and run off!
Then you get the choice of calling the police or dealing with them in your
own manner.


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From: Brent on 19 May 2010 10:55
On 2010-05-19, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>>You need a method of securely locking the doors,so that a slimjim,dent
>>puller,or jiggle key will not work. Electric door locks,AFAIK,still use the
>>levers and rods that slimjims manipulate to unlock the door.

> No rods or levers in my car. The door latches are completely
> solenoid-operated; "locking" the car simply means ignoring the switch
> closure on the door handle. Slim Jims are a complete waste of time.
> There is no keyhole for a dent puller or jiggle key.

There is still going to be a linkage between the solenoid and the latch.
If GM was smart and and cared it's got a plastic cover over it attached
by snaps or screws. With a cover there is no access without disassembly
of the door. If GM was cheap the linkage is exposed and thus, with the
right sort of tool can be manipulated.

However, there is a technique I've seen used by a motorclub lock-out
service. Your vette cannot stand up to it. Two special tools are
combined to press the lock/unlock button inside the car. The only
benefit is that one of the tools is a rather long metal rod, about five
feet long. Something that is difficult to walk around with un-noticed.



From: joel garry on 19 May 2010 20:41
On May 18, 9:17 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...(a)abuse.gov> wrote:

> But smashing a window would still allow access. Tint films make it harder
> to get through a side window,but they still can peel out the whole window..
> That seems to be the last weak point.You'd have to replace the side glass
> with unbreakable glass,and that is probably against some law.
>

I seem to recall both BMW and Lincoln sell factory hardened versions
of some of their cars, as well as plenty of aftermarket vendors.

How about this:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_kshp3ghjyh1qzyb6po1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1274402168&Signature=WF1RMr%2FlymnPikhP%2FNVCN2KBKw4%3D

jg
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From: Matthew Russotto on 19 May 2010 21:19
In article <ht0u4d$la5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>However, there is a technique I've seen used by a motorclub lock-out
>service. Your vette cannot stand up to it. Two special tools are
>combined to press the lock/unlock button inside the car. The only
>benefit is that one of the tools is a rather long metal rod, about five
>feet long. Something that is difficult to walk around with un-noticed.

Unless it's in two sections which screw together.

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