From: Scott in Florida on
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:43:26 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
<blnospambergman(a)earthlink.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:28:05 GMT, Scott in Florida
><JustAskl(a)> wrote:
>>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:49:45 -0500, clifto <clifto(a)> wrote:
>>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>> I personally don't do business with Target.
>>>> They kicked out the bell ringers at Christmas time a few years ago.
>>>> Any enterprise that has no use for the Salvation Army gets none of my
>>>> business.
>>>I don't think you and I are the only ones. The Target stores within easy
>>>distance from my house are almost always sparsely populated.
>>It is too bad, really. I like Target...but damend if I will give them
>>one red cent till they relent on the Salvation Army.
> Psst! They did. Amazing what happens after a publicly traded
>corporation gets a bunch of bad publicity...
> --<< Bruce >>--

Scott in Florida

From: Mark A on
"Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote in message
> Dumb, dumb, dumb, if you own anything older than 5 years. Learn what the
> ratings mean and what specific additives your engine needs (which might
> not be present in oils with the latest ratings).

Five years? You are way off.

Maybe if you own a passenger car that is 15 years old or more, then you
"might" need to worry about the lack of additives in some modern oils.

From: Ray O on

"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)> wrote in message
> For about a year, I've never noticed
> a change in the coolant level of the
> reservoir. Long ago, I marked the level with
> a pen, and I've never seen it deviate from that mark.
> But after the dealership replaced the Mobil 1
> with the Pennzoil Platinum, I noticed the next day
> that the coolant level had dipped by about 3/4 of an inch.
> So I marked the new lower level with a pen.
> I'm not sure what has caused the change in coolant
> level, which used to be constant for the last
> year. Maybe it was the change in oil brands,
> or maybe it was that the oil tech put
> in exactly 4 quarts of Pennzoil Platinum
> this time whereas, in the past, he had always
> put in at least 4.25 quarts of Mobil 1. The
> last time, it was more like 4.4 quarts.
> He always returned the unused oil to me, so
> I know how much oil was put in each time. I added an extra 0.25
> quarts of oil to see if that would return the reservoir's coolant
> level to the first pen mark, but it didn't.
> I also see that the reservoir's coolant level
> also varies now depending on if the engine
> is cold or hot. At cold startup, the coolant
> level is always lower by about a half-inch than
> at hot shutdown.
> But the cold startup level is 3/4-inch lower than
> it used to be. And I don't think the level used
> to vary with the engine's temperature.

The change in oil brands did not have anything to do with the oil level.

Then pen you used caused the plastic to become glycophyllic and absorb the
glycol in the coolant, and the plastic deformed, making it appear as if the
coolant level was lower when the pen mark just moved up. ;-) If you
believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Seriously, coolant does evaporate over time, and if the engine was run hot,
then some may have evaporated. If someone opens the radiator cap while the
coolant is hot, some may spill out.

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

From: Built_Well on
Ray O wrote:
> "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl(a)> wrote in message
> news:5164h35k9ba5rg1lhmnuph4i00hjpf3fcu(a)
> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:32:00 -0500, Built_Well
> > <built_well_toyota(a)> wrote:
> >
> >>Ray O wrote:
> >>
> >>> IMO, paying extra for lifetime wheel balance is a waste of money because
> >>> wheels rarely go out of balance once they have been balanced.
> >>========
> >>
> >>That's what I thought. I've thought for years that the need to balance
> >>tires is rare, but then one of the techs at Walmart the other day was
> >>telling me that I should have the tires balanced every other rotation,
> >>because tires easily become unbalanced, like from dips into potholes and
> >>other reasons.
> >>
> >>I know I had my old Tercel's tires balanced at Ewers once, and they
> >>were never the same again.
> >
> > I hate to disagree with Ray, but at least in the case of the wheels on
> > my '92 Corolla, they DO go out of balance. Just a little is very
> > irritating, especially on a light car like mine.
> >
> > --
> > Scott in Florida
> >
> I'll have to check out your car if I ever get down to Florida. As long as
> the wheel-hub mating surfaces are clean, and the wheels are torqued properly
> when they are installed, and the wheels do not lose weights, and the tires
> wear evenly, they should not go out of balance. I apply a very thin coat of
> anti-seize where the wheel touches the hub to prevent corrosion so the wheel
> mates cleanly to the hub.

The book "Auto Upkeep" also recommends anti-seize compound
to reduce rust. Unfortunately, the tech at my Toyota
dealership did not apply any compound to the wheels/hubs.
He just removed the tires and rotated them. I watched
the tech carefully.

So that $1.75 I was charged by the dealership for
"miscellaneous shop supplies" definitely was
/not/ for the anti-seize compound. It also was
not for the drain plug washer, a.k.a. "gasket," which
was itemized on the bill separately as "gasket" (don't
know why they don't just call it a washer; I suppose
the nearly 2 dollars they charged for the washer
makes high-falutin' "gasket" sound better ;-)

So the $1.75 for "miscellaneous shop supplies" could
only have been for the cup's worth of blue water
they put into my windshield washer fluid reservoir ;-)

From: Built_Well on

How likely is it that the Camry's wheels/hubs are
starting to rust as we speak because the tech did
not apply anti-seize compound, like Ray and "Auto
Upkeep" recommend?