From: Ray O on 3 Nov 2007 18:13 "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:472caf65$0$90430$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... <snipped> > The amount of oil to add for a drain and refill with oil > filter change is 4 quarts (3.8 quarts without oil filter change). > A totally dry fill is 4.8 quarts. How do you get to a totally > dry fill (since draining alone doesn't get you to a totally dry > fill condition). Is getting to a totally dry fill condition before > adding oil a bad idea? A dry fill condition means removing the oil pan, so the answer to your question is yes. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Tegger on 3 Nov 2007 18:44 Built_Well <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:472ccee6$0$68490$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com: > aarcuda69062 wrote: > >> The 18ft.lb. spec suggests using a torque wrench, no? >> >> The average man can tighten with a screw driver to 6 ft.lbs. > ======== > > I guess Jamie Sommers would have no problem tightening to > 18 foot-pounds using her right arm ;-) Thanks for the tip. Go to the grocery store and pick up a 10lb bag of potatoes. That's (very roughly) what 10 ft-lbs of torque feels like. You don't need to be the Bionic Woman (or Man) to apply 18 ft-lbs to a fastener. > > Unfortunately, my Craftsman torque wrench only goes as > low as 20 foot-pounds, and it's not very accurate at > the very low and very high ends of its torque range (20 to 150 > ft-lbs). I bought it just to tighten the wheel nuts to 76 foot-pounds. Then get a cheap beam-type. They are good enough down to less than 5 lbs. You're getting a bit hung up on precision in a place where precision is not essential. There's quite a bit of leeway on an oil drain bolt between overtightening and undertightening. What you need to do is learn the approximately correct range of proper torque, and that comes with experience. You need to do some experimentation with tightening bolts with a torque wrench and without until you get the "feel" of it, and learn to associate certain types of "feel" with where the fastener's tightening torque is demonstrably correct. Once you get the "feel" down, you can tighten lots of fasteners without a torque wrench and they will neither strip nor leak nor fall off. There's a point with many (all?) fasteners where the turning effort sort of "ramps up" all of a sudden. That sudden ramp-up is a guide to when to stop turning the wrench. The people who break or strip fasteners are those who aren't paying attention to that ramp-up feeling. Bear in mind that there are many fastener applications that require very precise torque settings. The "approximate feel" method is NOT okay in ALL cases. The oil drain bolt is one case where "approximate" is OK. Except on Hondas... > > Plus, I think it would probably be unwieldy trying to use the > long Craftsman clicker underneath the car. It is. I use a regular 14mm combo wrench and tighten by "feel". > I guess I should > just use a regular 6-point wrench to tighten the oil drain plug, 12-pointer is fine. A six-pointer would be used in applications where a 12-pointer might strip a corroded or seized bolt. An oil drain bolt is not usually seized. > but how many turns would 18 foot-pounds be after the nut makes > contact with the oil pan? See above. > The number of turns is not mentioned > in the official Toyota repair manual at CamryManuals.com. It just > says to tighten to 18 foot-pounds. > > The repair manual does say to tighten the oil filter three-quarters of > a turn after the oil filter gasket makes contact with the housing > seat. > > Different situations and *very* different gasketing methods. -- Tegger
From: aarcuda69062 on 3 Nov 2007 20:11 In article <Xns99DDBE9B9B548tegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger <tegger(a)tegger.c0m> wrote: > You don't need to be > the Bionic Woman (or Man) to apply 18 ft-lbs to a fastener. Without a wrench? I'd bet you can't do it. ;-)
From: Scott Dorsey on 3 Nov 2007 20:20 Built_Well <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Unfortunately, my Craftsman torque wrench only goes as >low as 20 foot-pounds, and it's not very accurate at >the very low and very high ends of its torque range (20 to 150 ft-lbs). >I bought it just to tighten the wheel nuts to 76 foot-pounds. 18 foot pounds is 18 pounds of force on a wrench arm that is one foot long. That's good and tight but not super tight. Practice with the torque wrench on a fixed bolt so you get the feel of what 20 foot-pounds feels like. It's a little less than that. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Tegger on 3 Nov 2007 22:36
aarcuda69062 <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:nonelson- A3B57E.19115703112007(a)news.chi.sbcglobal.net: > In article <Xns99DDBE9B9B548tegger(a)207.14.116.130>, > Tegger <tegger(a)tegger.c0m> wrote: > >> You don't need to be >> the Bionic Woman (or Man) to apply 18 ft-lbs to a fastener. > > Without a wrench? I'd bet you can't do it. ;-) I do it with my teeth. I have Bionic teeth. -- Tegger |